Help smash fascism! *LEEDS 2nd Nov*

you have got to be kidding, right?? WE didn't ask to be a multicultural country?? who is 'we' the pure blood english??? ermm and i believe the fact we are (not perfect) a liberal democracy kind of implies such a situation would occur.

so by your logic, you believe that muslims have the lowest unemplyment rate because its their choice?? or because they cannot get jobs?

they rape our women, haha, murder our people, take our jobs, you are beyond a joke!!! look at the crime figures proportionately for the UK, you will find that white men are the main culprit of crime, and when I mean crime, i mean all crime including fraud because that does have an effect on our economy.

i really do not mean to be offensive to you because I believe in freedom of speech and freedom as a whole even though you do not, but you are clearly not the most intelligent person, and you obviously have just had some bad experiences with people of different cultures.

don't hate, love and reap the benefits
michaelx

 

Talking to ex -Muslims a lot of them say that the Muslims they know choose to be unemployed because they either don’t like working for kafirs, or see it as a way to destroy a kafir system by living off the welfare state.
Other reasons are they don’t like the idea of working with a women or even worse under a woman.

This doesn’t apply to all Muslims, but there is a very large number who view things like that.
As to the "they rape our women thing" again there is a problem in that there are lots of rapes where the rapist has said that they did it because the women was unveiled, or where the rapist saw it as a sort of war against non Muslims .

you have lots of Islamic teachers including people who ken Livingston has embraced who have said that women wearing western dress are asking to be raped

this is a article on the subject http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20552

before you dismiss that there is a problem you should talk to some of my friend who are not bnp supporters, but black ex-Muslims who live in the uk .

And to the bnp supporter , the bnp would be against people like ayaan hirshi ali, I visited a board a few days ago and you had some bnp people calling her a wog .

Now culturally hirshi ali is very European, she knew she was basically getting herself a death sentence when she made her film about the bad treatment of women in Islam, she’s a very brave women, but she’s a wog to the bnp supporters because of her skin tone.

I don’t believe in multi-culturalism ,but we have lots of good people in the uk with a different skin colour who are not out to destroy British culture.

I think the bnp are right that Islam is a threat but they are too divisive to be able to be able to do anything about it

 

well i can only go off personal experiences, and i am yet to have met a muslim who poses a threat to british society. i am all for multiculturalism, as long as cultural is hung onto by all sides, and we can co-exist mainly peacefully. i saw this happen for many years in all my school and colleges, where white people were the minority, and there wasn't an issue.

you clearly have an issue with Islam, as many of your posts regard this view. i do not have the same view of islam, i do not likemany religions on a whole, but I believe in freedom of belief, whether i agree or not, and i deem it hypocritical of us as a liberal democracy to condem others becasue of a skin colour or belief system.
peace

 

Hey Brotherwood, after a chat with these two are you unconvinced about the strength of rightwing sentiment in the UK?
Even on the 'Hip' forum we can meet people with views like 'England' and 'jonny' above.
There's a huge undercurrent of tribal racism in this country, which the two main parties continually pander to. It's a real problem in northern mill towns, and all over.
The object of those who encourage mass immigration is firstly cheap labour second divide and rule. Let's not get divided. The interests of poor whites and poor people of other races, are the same, their problems are really the same. Better for those at the top for us to fight eachother.

Hey jonny, you're always refering to people you don't like as nazis, so i s'pose you'll be opposing the fash in Leeds Nov2nd? Bring your mate Cat Stephens. How come you always go to 'ex muslims' for an opinion on islam?
Say, this whole-"they rape our women" has a bit of a KKK flavour. You're right though I'm sure white women would prefer to be raped by white men. Hmmm.
Peace be upon you. X

 

okay, maybe i am a bit naive, but i can really only go off my own personal experiences, i could never speak for the whole UK as a whole, as I have only lived in two places.
but where i have lived, Birmingham, and Aber in Wales, i have seen very limited race issues, yes there has been riots etc in bham, but not enough trouble to change the british 'culture'. i truely believe we can co-exist peacefully and hang onto all our own cultures.

politically i do not believe parties such as the BNP are a threat, because we still live in a system where the party in power has almost basic contol over parliament, and the legal system. and i do not believe the BNP will ever reach the stage where they will win a general election.
i hope and prey i am right
peace and love to all x

 

after working with muslims, and having friends who are muslims, I have to tell you - that they confide to me that the people of britain are naive to suppose anything about muslim culture. They are young muslims in their 20's and early 30's who are much more integrated than their parents but still feel alienated. I am reliably informed that in private - most muslims support the idea of confrontational tactics but do not necessarily support wholesale terrorism. I have been told by several muslims that the muslim culture would like to pose a threat but wonder how

 

Hi,
BNP are on the fringe, but influence mainstream debate, like the greens, the 2 main parties talk green to pick up a few green votes, and talk tough on race and islamaphobia to pick up a few fash votes. A perfect example of this is how the BNP's chances of winning seats were talked up prior to the local elections, spun by labour to take a few votes off the tories who've kind of neglected their right wing of late.
Where ever the BNP organise and gather there is a statistical rise in racial attacks, even more so when they win elections. In northern mill towns it feels like northern ireland.
It's highly functional for politicians to have a 'moral panic' some crisis or other, to be seen to be doing something about, unfortunately for muslims, at the moment it's them.
No wonder muslims feel alienated. innit?

 

IF the fuckin BNP try anything round these parts, they'll have a cable street on thier hands

 

What's a cable street? a bad thing i hope! ha ha.
I've met some ferocious anti fash punks from scotland, i guess they don't like anything with 'british' in the title.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

 

I care not for whether things are Scottish or Brittish, i mean, the scottish working class and the english working class etc. all face the same problems, no use devidin them, eh


its that fact they're fascists that pisses me off

 

Oh believe me mate I AM intelligent. Muslims have an extremely low employment rate here in Britain because they prefer to claim asylum and take money from tax payers such as myself. I work 45 hrs a week and overtime and I then have 23% of my tax deducted. I wouldn't mind as much if it was being used to improve British hospitals, schools, pensioners etc. But instead the majority of my tax appears to find its way into a foreigners' hands. These people are completely capable of earning money for themselves, contribution to British economy, thanking the nation that is "protecting" them. But no, why should they? They choose to bite the hand that feeds them. They want more. Not only do they want our money, free health care, first in line to get houses, a free car, freedom, they want to impose Sharia Law on us. They want a muslim flag on number 10 Downing Street. Their Koran urges them to forcibly convert people to become muslims. They want to destroy our culture, our heritage and our freedom. If you asked a muslim "are you proud to be British?" I can bet that the majority of them will say no. They just want our land.
The BNP have recognised this and that is the exact reason they are the 2nd biggest party in Barking & Dagenham, the opposition to Labour. Hey the BNP have also had their plans of building 1000 council houses for Britons supported by the majority. Already they're making a difference.

Who would have thought a right wing party such as the BNP would have become the 2nd biggest party in Barking & Dagenham? Do not underestimate them...
In terms of simple popularity, though, I think it's clear that the BNP now enjoys a far higher level of support than their enemies care to admit...... potentially, I suspect, easily enough to form a government already, given that Labour support is only really 20% of the population these days.
But in terms of resources NOT YET.

 

So did you get lost on your way to the Stormfront forum?

 

Have you ever seen the breakdown of the budget??? you seem to be quite misinformed.


The UK has an aging worforce, and scotland has a falling population. We are in desperate need of people coming over. And before you come out with any more shite, why not actually site some figures.

 

Wouldnt it be better looking at why we have a declining population if that’s a problem rather than importing people who in many cases hate the present culture of the uk, and intend changing it by violence, or coming here and out breeding the current inhabitants and changing things that way.

Ignoring things like the Rushdie affair, suicide bombing, the general censorship of criticism of Islam in the media and then encouraging people who want a Islamic state in the uk to come and live here seems to be very silly and the sort of action that will encourage a civil war.

I know you guys seem to have this rainbows and moonbeams view of the world but people don’t all want the same thing, if they did you wouldn’t have theocracies in Afghanistan and Iran ECT.

And what makes you think that if you bring a load of people from somewhere where they choose to live in a theocracy that they wont want to have that sort of system here .

I’ve talked to loads of Muslims that want the uk to be a Islamic theocracy and they believe that you are being guided by Allah to make this happen otherwise how would you be so stupid.

I don’t think you understand Islam which is a political system as well as a religion.

Why do you think we have a declining population and why do you think its a good idea to encourage Muslims to move to the uk , what effect do you think having a higher proportion of the population made up of muslims will have .

Do you think that Islamic countries have a expanding population if so why might they have that, and we have the opposite? Do we view having babies differently? and if they don’t have a expanding population wont encouraging large numbers of people to leave Islamic countries have a negative effect on those countries .

 

I don't think the issue is about Islam though. Shari'ah Islam is as dangerous as fascism, I'll agree with that. But I think we need to look beyond religion. We have an ageing population because life expectancy has risen and birth rates have declined. This is a trend across developed countries primarily because more women have gone into work and are having fewer children, and also because of better health care and sanitation - more babies survive so people don't need to have as many. Both of these can be seen as positive factors in modern society. It's good people are living longer and it's good women are finding equal opportunities in the labour market. However that does leave us with the problem of a pensions crisis. The government has recently passed a law raising the age of retirement to 68, but this is only a temporary solution. In order to fund an increasing dependant population, you need a larger population of working age.

The benefit of immigration is that most immigrants are young men or working age who need to work so they can send money home to their families. They'll get jobs (often jobs most British people don't want to do), they'll pay taxes and they'll contribute to the economy and to funding state pensions. Yes there will be some people who come here to sponge, though statistics repeatedly demonstrate that this is a tiny minority. Benefits for immigrants are appallingly low, and are certainly no incentive to sponge. It is true that unemployment is higher amongst Muslims in Britain, but many studies have shown that this is more to do with structural factors and discrimination on the part of employers than it is to do with unwillingness to work. One study made hundreds of fake applications to different vacancies using a variety of different names. It showed that those with British sounding names were much more likely to be offered an interview than those with foreign sounding names where both applicants had identical credentials. You also make the mistake of confusing immigrants with Muslims. Many Muslims in the country are second or third generation, were born here, and have never even been to the country that their parents or grandparents hailed from.

I think the religion issue is a seperate one. Religious fundamentalisms are a problem in the world, but I doubt the argument can be won through combatative methods such as those demonstrated by the BNP. Moreover the BNP use the Islam issue as a front because they can't legally target 'Pakis' or 'Niggers' anymore. Their target isn't a religious minority, but ethnic minorities. They are still fundamentally the thugs of the National Front dressed up for the modern age, and many in its leadership are convicted violent criminals, Nazis, anti-semites and Holocaust deniers. Incidentally the council housing plans were put together by the leading Labour group on the council. England, I suggest you read your party's website more carefully, even they'll concede that. And while you're looking at their ethics, you might wonder why they've repeatedly been engaged in backhand deals with Islamic groups to further the causes of both parties. The Voice Of Freedom was printed at a Saudi owned printing firm, and Nick Griffin has visited Colonol Gaddafi in Libya, who at one time funded the National Front in an effort to undermine the British state. This shows a remarkable degree of hypocrisy and opportunism on the part of populist fascist parties like the BNP. Fascism should have died with Hitler, but it seems people are all too willing to forget the lessons of history.

 

England you didn’t answer what I said about ayaan hirshi ali , I think the bnp are using their dislike for Islam as a cover for racism generally .

They still consider her a wog even though there is no one in Europe more anti Islam than her

What is being British to you ?

I have a family that is part Chinese by marriage none of my Chinese /British relatives have been on the dole, most are self employed pay taxes , never had any trouble with the police, three of them at least have been in the British armed forces, ones in Iraq at the moment one was disabled I think in Malaya .

If you look at British history we have had waves of people coming in for a long time , we had a very big empire, lots of the non white people we have in the uk came in at the end of that empire, many of them were the people who were most loyal to the British empire and would have been in danger if they stayed behind in their original countries .

The bnp don’t see those people as British what causes them not to be British and say someone descended from the Romans or Goths to be.

 

Its a question of attitudes at the end of the day



on the whole, are white oflks prepared to accept immigrants?

are immigrants prepared to integrate?


i think the answer to the second question is yes

teh first one is yet to nbe fully answered

 

Hi this thread is about opposing fascism.
Muslims are a 3% minority in this country, a small proportion of whom would support an islamic theocracy in the UK. This is not going to happen. Fascism on the other hand is a real problem, wherever they organise, there is an increase in racial violence.
x

 

hmmm could you show me simular numbers being killed by neo nazis to the number of people being killed by jihadis , do neo nazis run nuclear armed countrys on our borders or anywhere .

the police have caught people planing a number of major bombing attacks, the last being a attack by jihadis on the ministry of sound where they could have killed thousands of people

your heartless response to the possibility that there was a problem of secterian rape showed that your just as racist as our bnp supporter, except your bias is against a different race as you dont seem to care about white or non muslim rape victims .

look at the situation in northern ireland the catholics there were a minority, and the uk govement wasnt able to stop ira knee cappings were they even with the british army on the ground , you had another system of de facto law and order in northern ireland much like we seem to have in the uk .

salman rushdie cant live freely in the uk with your harmless minority of muslims as it is, hes been in hiding for nearly twenty years , ayaan hirshi ali cant live openly in holland in fact she is going to have to live in the states.

the biggest danger of fascism comes from islamofascists who groups like unite against fascism seem to want to embrace

chris try marrying a muslim girl and not converting to islam, there have been cases of people being tortured to death for dating muslims in the uk , I really think there are lots of people who do not want to integrate who have come to the uk because Ive talked to loads of them .

islamic scripture says that muslim women cant marry non muslims , you allready have calls for seperate laws for muslims in lots of countrys in europe .

if you want to talk about nazis have you been following the plans to bring in special badges for non muslims to wear like the nazi yellow stars for jews but this time not in germany in iran .

the story is being played down by the iranians, but they have a very long background of this sort of discriminatory laws, and the top cleric in the country says that non muslims are ritually unclean .

the taliban had simular laws where non muslims mainly the hindu minority had to wear special badges so muslims could avoid them .

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5519

if you have a shia muslim who supports what the top shia cleric and most other shia clerics says that non muslims are ritually unclean, and it would be a good idea for them to wear special badges so the faithful can avoid coming into contact with them. do you really think that person means to integrate in the uk ?