help please for LSD

Most of the common recreational drugs (including LSD) are illegal worldwide, under the UN "Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs".

It is quite legal to ask and answer questions regarding drug manufacture here in the forums, and elsewhere on the internet. The trick is all in how the questions are worded. Questions should be worded hypothetically, without incriminating yourself or others.

 

As has been discussed earlier in this thread, the problem lies not in the fact that it's risky to post such information, but merely the fact that few average people can actually grasp such advanced organic chemistry and have the loot and contacts to setup a major LSD manufacturing operation.

 

OK, I will elaborate a little. Those who feel I am blabbering can ignore this post. I read a long time ago about a guy in the U.S. who got arrested under some pretext by the DEA for merely disseminating information on shrooms or some types of hallucinogens. They found a technicality and were on this guy. The DEA threw something they felt would stick in a trial. I could be wrong about this particular case, but I am aware of the DEA desperately nabbing people and working in crooked ways to advance their anti-drug agenda. I have not researched this aspect of the drug war, but I am aware of accounts that the DEA has planted evidence and cooked up bogus charges. I am also aware of the DEA busting people who've been implicated by questionable people who wanted their charges reduced. The fact is that the U.S. is very drug war-obsessed. And those in power, regardless of who they are, will tend to abuse their power given the capacity to do so.

If a new LSD or psychedelic guru were to arise, ranking up there with Timothy Leary, I'd bet the feds would cook up something regardless. I don't know all of the facts about Pickard, but 3 life sentences given to him for allegedly manufacturing LSD just shows how perverted the U.S. justice system has become.

Under these assumptions, passing information on manufacturing and distributing LSD, and on promoting a culture for the manufacture and distribution of LSD, would be highly risky in the U.S., regardless of how it's worded. The government will nail you if you become too powerful.

Other nations have laws against LSD and other recreational drugs, but some nations tend to have more liberal attitudes: I mean, could 3 life sentences be handed to Pickard in the more liberal European nations given the same circumstances? Some of the East European nations have legal systems that are too poorly funded or organized to deal with organized groups who decide to engage in LSD manufacturing.

Yes, the problem is that LSD is extremely difficult to make. But many things are extremely difficult to make. One problem, though, is the lack of a culture fostering enough interest in LSD.

I was thinking that there should at least be a site, perhaps offshore, giving complete information that would cover everything related to LSD to foster such a psychedelic renaissance. Of course, I'd have nothing to do with such a site! It would be made by an underground, anonymous intelligentsia of deadheads, ravers and rebels who are interested in sharing chemistry knowledge.

 

Yeah, the DEA and every other government faction on the face of the planet.

"Allegedly" finding a silo-sized LSD manufacturing lab is no misdeamnour; luckily it wasn't meth...at the rate the Pickard operation's manufacturing process was cranking out product, he'd have been tried for acts of terrorism against humanity and would have probably been executed.

Not necessarily...and I'm also going to have to disagree with Ellis here: recipes for LSD manufacture are not illegal to write, but posession of such data could obviously lead to conspiracy/intent charges.

Unforunately for us, the US has a well-funded, right-winged legal system. If you don't like it, why not move to Ethiopia and setup shop?

You would be most correct...with the inclusion of several new cutting edge psychedelics in the mainstream, most of which combine the effects of LSD and Ecstasy, sometimes even in durations ranging well over 24 hours, the term "acid" has become nothing more than a synonym for a wide variety of research chems plastered on blotter paper.

 

Only in combination with precursor chemicals and glassware. In order for an "intent to manufacture" charge to be brought, there needs to be a lot more than the posession of a "recipe", namely some evidence of an "act of furtherance", like purchasing chemicals or recruiting a chemist.....

If mere possession of a written synthesis procedure were sufficient, every college library would have been shut down long ago. And the jails would be overflowing with everyone who owns a copy of any of Shulgin's books....

 

Does this thread count?

Luckily we don't live in N. Korea...or I would have had a quad-life sentence by the time I was 7.

 

It certainly COULD, which is why I gave the OP so much shit about it....

 

Letr me say this.

People who say that synthesizing LSD is difficult doesn't know what they are talking about. They just quote shit from other websites or shit they have read somewhere.

You only need to know the procedure and some special tricks. Like purifying your chemicals and drying them. And avoiding chlorines and atmosphereric influences.

Then it isn't so difficult. The yield is always somewhere in the 50's or 60's percent nomather how good your chemist skills are.

You should read about Drying chemicals, Distillation, Reflux, Column chromatography, Purification abd Ergoline Chemistry. Then You should be just fine.

 

While synthesizing LSD is simple compared to building a nuclear bomb from scratch or landing on the moon, as far as organic reactions go it is more complicated than most. Certainly the most complicated of any common recreational drug.

Yes, you need to avoid moisture, halogens, and light. And deal with some seriously toxic precursors. None of this is impossible for an accomplished chemist, but it is the RARE amateur who is ever going to pull it off.

 

POCL3 is used to make Sarin Gas. So that stuff might be dangerous.
DCM is used in Paint-Stripper, Chloroform or Ether are chemicals that you should be wary off.
DEA is Toxic and the LSA is halluciogenic.
The use of different acids and bases is also reason to be carefull.

But that's chemistry.

The reason why people have difficulties making acid is because they haven't studied the subject. And underestimate the stabillity of the molecule.
They think they bake a bread or something.

If you are serious then with some work you should have no problem with the synthesis.

 

Coming onto a public forum and trying to figure out how to synth L by asking what supplies you need just goes to show the intellect of most people who want to try synthesizing LSD. The reason people have difficulties making acid is not because they haven't studied the process, it's because they are just incapable. And try to find someone capable enough with the right background who can be easily convinced to manufacture LSD...

 

+) this is amusingly sad
i just read through that and i'm wondering now "so who is the real asshole? the one being called it, or the ones persistently calling it?"

really, couldn't you have let that drop on the 1st page?

 

Well, if you had read the thread you would know that the first question provoked flaming, which then provoked an EXTENDED discussion. So if people want to extend the discussion, who the f cares. And what is amusingly sad to me are all the posts by teenagers asking how to make LSD, not the fact that people have to constantly remind EVERYONE that synthesizing LSD is no easy task.

 

You keep saying that.

Organic chemistry is not the easiest subject. But If you are a patient and accurate man you should be just fine.
The first thing they learn on Labschool is to be clean, safe and accurate with measuring chemicals.
If you know the tricks about LSD chemistry you should be just fine. And everybody who attempts somekind of synthesis will encounter problems.
MDMA, MDA, Valium, Aspirin. It all require some basic skills and knowlegde.

You people should read the EBOOK section of this site. It contains alot of professional literature that can help. This site is I think the new hive.

https://www.synthetikal.com/synthforum/

 

I am partially educated in some things- drugs being one of them. I never took any chem courses during my college stint, instead I took in as much as I could from places like rhodium, the hive, bluelight, and synthetikal. MDMA synthesis is nowhere near as hard as LSD synthesis. I will agree that "where there is a will, there is a way," but I'll tell you right now that if the right kind of person wanted to attempt LSD synthesis and could actually do it, they wouldn't ask on this forum. Especially in such a blatant way... I mean, these are sixteen year old kids asking how to make LSD. They couldn't even get as far as procuring the ET man, you know that. Let's just say you set out to make some fluff (>95%) ... First, you'll need to procure the precursors, most notably ET. You could steal a bunch of migraine pills of a truck and extract the ET from the binders... or maybe you have a legit connect in China who will ship without getting caught by customs... or even better YET maybe you know a farmer who has a field of rye just grown for bacteria, which happens to be the right type of ergot to produce a high amount of ergotamine. Next you need to get all your equipment... so you'll need to drop a few g's on good equipment. Then you need to set up the room where you will do it. You know that air and light both break down LSD, so you'll need to basically use a photography room. Your first synthesis, ~50%... not even considered 'good' amber.. so then you start to wash it and wash it... and wash it.. and end up with a tiny yield of good product, if you don't fuck up during the purification. Here's the fun part- getting rid of it. You'll have fun meeting someone with the money/connects to buy crystal off you, lay it, and distribute it to the right people, all without getting the special attention of special agents. From start to finish... do you think any average joe could pull that off? Places like synthetikal are usually for more chemistry-minded people who know not to ask things like "Dude where can i get me some safrole and other stuff for making exxtacy in my trailer man."

 

Fuck Ergotamine. Why should you start with that stuff. It is an urban myth.
The Hydrolyzation (or however you spell it) to LSA is a shitty procedure with yields from 10% to 20% (or maybe 30)%. Just Extract it from Morning glories or other plants. Just buy alot of those plants and their seeds. It will contain enough LSA for years and years doses of LSD.
You only need to purify it and dry it by ways of distillation, acid base extraction, column chromatography and such.
The same you do with your chemicals you are gonna use in your reaction. Including the solvents and the POCl3 (If you go that way).
For a amateur chemist it isn't the hardest synth to perform.

The light thing. It is a littlebit overestimated. You just perform the synth at night with candle light,
And the air won't mix in if you stir is anti clockwise direction. Or you use Argon gas.
And the synth is doable in normal atmospheres. It is only a slightly lesser yield.

 

Oh yeah.
If you start with 100 grams of purified LSA and end-up with 1 gram purified d-LSD.
That is still 10.000 dosages of 100 mike pills of A-grade Acid. Who cares about yields.

100 grams will propably yield between the around the 50 and 60 grams of d-LSD if you know your shit and studied the subject.

 

Would it really be smart to work by candlelight with a highly-combustible material like ether? I also think you're failing to realize exactly how many HBWR seeds it would take to extract 100 grams of LSA, nevermind MG's.

 

BS

Talk is cheap- and LSD is hard to syn and clean-up.
Too hard.

 

So what is your solution for this problem, smart ass?!?!?!

{By the way. Air can turn your fresh acid into a black mass.}
Read this http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_writings1.shtml