Hello, any Jewish Here!

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I believe strongly that the God of the Jewish (Moses), Christian (Jesus), and Muslim (Muhammad) is one and he is who has revealed to their prophets the Torah, Gospel and Quraan and if so then there must not be differences in the definition of God for example, i.e. trinity for example it is such a huge difference between Muslims' and Jewish's' belief in God or the concept of God, myself as many Christians and (priests) concluded that trinity is a misunderstanding of some of the Gospel's verses which I analyzed some of them in details in some of my threads.
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Actually, Stevens' information regarding Hinduism is 0.1% or perhaps less than this, but I will read about this religion someday.
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Face of God! Do you mean these verses, Exodus 3.1-4: … Moses … came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. what I understand that he heard the call of God out of the midst of the bush, he didn't see his face, or probably you are talking about another verse or meant something else.
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mmm I disagree with this, generally myself if I want to believe in something I need a proof, how can I know that there are many ways that God can look like, but there's only one.
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Take for example the Christians, I believe that we are worshipping the same God (Allah) who they call it Jesus? I believe that there are (believers in God's existence) who worship Allah (the God and the creator) by different names and ways.
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YoursSincerely,
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CatStevens
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You are more than welcome whether you are Jewish or not, it is enough for me that you are God's creature to be welcome, whether you believe in God or don't
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I really appreciate your joining in the thread, thanks J

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Post #5 Here post # 13Here // Here
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Well. When I say God I mean in the same time the creator, so who is the creator in your belief, how did the world exist, who created the universe, globe?
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Naive!! You didn't insult you break hearts , how could be a creator like him naive, who created this incredible creatures like human being, this beautiful nature, human being's body is too complicated, much nerves, each organ has its function, impossible to be naïve he is super intelligent, marvelous, and excellent.
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OMG! Written by men! Oh L,
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However, that's what you think and you are free in your belief,
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but myself, it is important to me after I became sure that God is existed to know what does he want from his creatures (human being) does he want us to worship him or follow a specific religion or what, is there a purpose of our creation? And if there is a religion of him then myself I have to follow it, there is hell and heaven i.e. eternal life in the hereafter I believe in them strongly, and I choose heaven of course. If you consider that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad claimed prophethood , did you based that on a research or just guess, do not ever depend on others conclusion search by yourself and seek does God revealed books?
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What do you mean by not enough awe of the beauty of existence, this existence has been created for us! Your eyes, hands and other sense organs and they are enough to feel the beauty of existence! I don't know what do you mean exactly with this, but for example Allah in the Quraan talks a lot regarding the nature and things that he created like, have they not looked at the heaven above them, how I have made it and adorned it… / And verily, in the cattle, there is a lesson ( i.e. an instructive sign). I give you to drink of that which is in their bellies, from between excretions and blood, pure milk, palatable (agreeable) to the drinkers….
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YoursSincerely,
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CatStevens
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Who knows God well then everything's' value becomes nothing in comparison to him. Glorified and exalted is you dear God, I love you. If Muslims, Christians and Jewish claiming Hell? But What if they were right? Specify a part of your time for God or to search and seek for the truth regarding God. My deepest sincere best wishes for each seeker. I wish I will meet you all in paradise Amen.​

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Qurann:52,35&36​

'' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.''​

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Pantheist (pan=all, theos=god) means everything is god, the universe is god. polytheist (poly=many) means many gods. daur basically has it right.

Yeah, that's how I usually feel after reading his posts...

 

Saint Stephen,

just some info, you can do what you want with it. But pan/panentheism is within the realm of Jewish thought. And there are Jews who reject the Torah as being of divine origin, reconstructionists for example, and many in the Jewish Renewal movement. I'm personally a pan/panentheist and I reject the uniquely divine origin of Torah. I don't see this conflicting with Judaism. In fact, it's hard for me to find any places where much of liberal Judaism does require blind faith, unless you're coming from an Orthodox background. Anyway, however you sort things out, good luck with your doubts.

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But I agree with him as a believer in God, that's why I quoted it and put that sad face it is like I am saying, sadly, you are right, there are who come a long way from where God would like them to be.
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But I think it is not within those Jews who follow the Torah because I believe that there isn't panentheism in Torah's teachings OT I could be wrong; I think you mean there are Jews who believe in such belief but not all of them.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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I don't think anyone has the wisdom or even the right to say how far I am from where God wants me. That's between God and me; and neither you, nor campbell, can have anything to say about it.

 

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But I agree with him as a believer in God è (God to me is Allah who revealed the Quraan), that's why I quoted it and put that sad face it is like I am saying, sadly, you are right, there areè ( I didn't specify any one ) whocome a long way from where God would likeè (according to the God [Allah] who I believe in him, he wants mankind to believe in him in the way that he mentioned it, i.e. Allah didn't say that he is everything Pantheism for example so they are far long from where God would like) them to be. And again this is my view as a believer in Allah.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Thank you for the insight The Dauer. I really appreciate it.

Cat, I believe you may have misinterpreted some of my beliefs.

"Naive!! You didn't insult you break hearts , how could be a creator like him naive, who created this incredible creatures like human being, this beautiful nature, human being's body is too complicated, much nerves, each organ has its function, impossible to be naïve he is super intelligent, marvelous, and excellent."

I never called the creator naive. I called the idea of god being a being naive. Sorry for the miscommunication.

"Well. When I say God I mean in the same time the creator, so who is the creator in your belief, how did the world exist, who created the universe, globe?"

There is no creator. God is the splendor of all existance and the rules that are incorporated within existance. If you really wanna know how I think the universe was created then please bear with me and feel free to pm me or respond with questions. Here we go...

Gravity affects every single piece of matter in the universe. I am physically being pulled to an atom lightyears away. The force of that pull is so incredibly small that it is nearly non existant. But not. It does exist. So if every single atom within the glory of the entire universe is being pulled together, after billions of billions of billions of eons, those forces, however small add up. Eventually everything in the universe comes together into one unimaginably dense ball of everything about the size of a basketball or so. Then it explodes. (Big Bang Theory) Matter is strewn haphazardly across the vast plains of nothingness and the universe is reborn. It expands and then contracts into the ball then explodes again and then the ball again and then the explosion followed by the ball again. The cycle repeats forever. It is infinite and has been going on forever.

There is no beginning of time. There is no beginning of the universe. The universe has ALWAYS existed and will ALWAYS exist. It was not created nor will it be destroyed. It will constantly oscillate between expanding and contracting.

If you look at it like that. There have been an infinite amount of cycles. An infinite amount of planets and stars and different scenarios. Everything that could happen has happened AND will happen again due to the nature of infinity. An infinite amount of life.

That in my humble opinion is god. Not some divine force that will smite me for being blasphemous. Not some guy who will punish me with an existance in hell because I wasnt sprinkled with water some dude says is holy when i was a baby. Thats complete nonsense. Original sin is bogus. I'm truly sorry for insulting anyone. That is not my intent. My intent is to expand peoples horizons. Whether or not they choose to accept my view as valid is completely their choice. I admit that I am not right. I admit that NO ONE IS RIGHT. We are all trying to find ultimate truth and I'm just trying to help.

 

Please disregard this post. It was written under the influence of anger. After having posted it I realized that I stooped to level of what I was attacking.

 

Okay, I don't mean to be a bitch and I don't plan to have any influence on you whatsoever, because I just have a feeling that you're too closed-minded to grasp what it is I'm saying here, but. . . .

You bear those typical Christian traits of extreme arrogance and undiplomatic, reckless devotion that makes you unable to acknowledge intelligence and common sense when you see it. No--I will not go so far as to say that that closed-mindedness is typical of Christians, but it is typical of some. That was intelligence that I read in SaintStephen's post, based on logic and intellectualism; you only spoke like a fundamentalist who thinks he has access to top secret information, so high above dirty, unsophisticated infidels. You insulted him for being a Jew (yes, I consider your post insulting to Jews) and for expressing his opinion. Respect the views of others, old man. I don't think Jesus would like you being so condescending and so blind.

You may think you know the truth. A lot of people do, a lot of people who would disagree with your truth. You say Jesus, he says Mohammad, she says Moses, I say Lucifer (kidding! ). There's no way of knowing who's right. You might not be--did that EVER occur to you? Life is for learning.

Well, I can feel the flames coming already, but I don't give a shit. And as for your claim that these are the "last days" based on the prophecies . . . well, that made me laugh. Don't get me started on prophecies or on the Bible in general unless you are extremely confident or extremely bored.

Some mostly rhetorical questions:

How would you know that? Do you know them? I don't. They lived a really, really long time before me when people believed in polygamy and other unspeakable horrors I don't agree with. Did they even exist? Could they be simply fictional or incredibly exaggerated? How do I know? All I have to go by is my own faith in the universe and God.

I'd rather be ignorant on your terms (meaning having no knowledge of the Christian God) than my own (having little knowledge of life itself and the world on a large scale). And I would rather believe my own eyes and my own heart than a book my mother commanded me to read and told me was completely true. If that's not blind faith, then what is?

 

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How would you know where god would want me to be? Has he condescended to you and confided his inner workings to you?

The Bible states that Jews profaned Gods name whereever they went eh? Jesus was Jewish, guess he and I profaned Gods name.

If anything the Jews refused to accept a different and new truth (Christianity) that was being preached at the time.

The Jews are back in Israel cause Hitler decided we were'nt deserving enough to live. The Jews are in Israel because they need a homeland. Its mostly political and barely religious. Plus Israel is the only democracy in the area. Its a nation that has cultivated a barren land and has created wealth out of nothing. It has protected itself on all borders against invaders not but a few days after it was created. Dont you dare fuck around with Israel.

Just stories... After all, it is a book, isn't it? They may be truthful. I dont know. But if they are they are certainly still stories.

First you call me a Jew as if its something to be looked down upon. Then you go ahead and insult science. I'm sorry but science and religion are one in the same. They both strive for truth. For an understanding of the metaphysical realm as well as the physical realm. Religion and science ought to be intertwined, not polar opposites. They both strive for truth.

I dunno about you, but age has nothing to do with anything. Id rather be an 18 year old with an open mind than an anti-semetic fundamentalist.

These men who wrote the bible may not have been ignorant. They may have been extremely open minded for all i know. Ignorance stems from fear. Fear of change and fear of being wrong. Fundamentalists see what they want to see. They hear what they want to hear. When they see something they don't like they hide in their fundamentalist ideals. They are cowards. They take comfort in their fundamentalism and are AFRAID of the truth. They are afraid to search for the truth because they are afraid that the truth they find is not what they want to find. You, my friend, wrote innundated your post with borderline fundamentalism. Please try to be openminded and face whatever truth you may find even if it goes against everything you once believed. Please don't be a coward and hide under a veil of ignorance.

For all of the rest of you kindhearted open minded peace loving human beings out there. Keep on searching for the truth and please keep me posted on your progress.

I would also like to apoligize to anyone I have offended in my posts. My intent was to attack ignorance and to defend myself. Please understand that I am attempting to be as open minded as I can possibly be and that close-minded people bug me. Thank you all for being so accepting of other people's opinions. You guys rock!

 

Oh, and Cat Stevens, I wish all religious people could be as kindhearted and considerate as you. God is truly with you.

 

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Ops! I think I read it in a hurry, I am sorry, I think that when you said I do not wish toinsult anyone, but to think that God …etc ''insult'' made me understand it that way and expect such thing ,but why do think that to think that God is a divine being seems rather naive.
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Of course I wanna know, and I will always bear with you
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Where did this atom come from? , who created it and created the Gravity?
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Something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something. If C1 were caused by C2, and C2 by C3 to CN, then C1 cannot exist unless C2 does, etc. And CN means that it has no beginning. Consequently, C1 cannot exist. In other words, if human existence is preceded by an infinite amount of causes requiring an infinite amount of time to take place, it is the same as saying that they will never take place. Human existence thus becomes impossible.
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Allah [Quraan: 52:35-36] '' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.''
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The universe is incredible; The Big Bang explains how everything came into being?
*Some told that he saw a tree fall in the forest, roll and split into planks. At the same time a rock fell from the side of a mountain nearby, became heated and molten iron poured from it and solidified into small screws. The screws hit the largest plank and joined four smaller bits of wood to it to form a table. What would be your response to such a story?

*A garage full of scraps metal & scraps iron, by chance there was a timed bomb between them, suddenly the timed bomb exploded, a Roserise car has resulted from that explosion. What an explosion it was!!
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Impossible, the universe is balanced , disciplined or I mean it is incredible, I will give examples to let you know what do I mean by it is disciplined and balanced,
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* The human being body (inside) is really too complicated (complex).
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If it has been said to us that: the white house or a school was formed and appeared as it is now by itself without an architect or mason, will we believe that? No. Because the school with its rooms and beautiful building points to a smart engineer and builder, building isn't easy, it is too complicated. Try to find a building which the builders still building it, and see the complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (a building) è (complex maps- different shapes of woods- cement- etc) So how can we believe that this earth which we are living on it and these multifarious wonderful countless creatures has been existed by chance by itself without a creator who had existed and designed them.
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*Look to your self and body it is too complicated and there are countless nerves in your body which each nerve linked to an organ and have its function! Is that happened by chance by evolution?
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* Can you believe that a steamy machine or any kind of pumps has been formed by itself without an inventor and it started to work without who turned it on? No. so how can we then believe that a machine like the heart in the human body can be existed without a creator? The heart keeps on working regularly in its diastole and systole; it is the organ which points to the greatest and faculty of the God. The heart is a meaty myocardium but it is stronger than the iron machines, because the heart starts its work since the embryo forms in his Mum's abdomen and keeps on working without stopping all during human's life which could extends to eighty or seventy years without needing to reform it as the need of the iron machines although it work for specific hours! Isn't that points to the existence of a creator?
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And on earth are signs (Signs of the existence of God) for those who have faith with certainly.21: And also in your ownselves. Will you not then see?
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* Look to the computer how it is complicated? There are many of tiny metal parts which every one of it has its own function. Who is more complicated the computer or the human being's body? It is too clear, the human being body. Surely God is existed. The eyes it self only, is more complicated than the whole computer?
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And how many a sign in the heavens and earth they pass by, while they are averse therefrom (i.e. yet they turn away from them).
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I gave you the above examples because I wanted to show you that human and earth are complex, the arranged complex, not the random complex , well-arranged complex points to there must be someone who can do this well-arranged complex things (creatures),
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* If you will spill three different colors in a white paper you will never have a picture for Wales' flowers! Or a picture of London's street! Take for example the Puzzle [game or toy that has a lot of pieces that you have to fit together] or the Jigsaw puzzle [a picture cut up into many pieces] would you believe me if I will tell you that a wind or something fitted these pieces together? Something which doesn't have a brain to think where he should put each piece!! Impossible, there is someone who arranged your body's organs and nerves and gave them their functions.
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* How by the evolution or by an explosion or by a chance or whatever these well-arranged creatures appeared? The complex is in their selves and how things work in them. It is really amazing! How human imagine things (daydreams/ imagination/ dreams etc) how human can travel to other places and feel pain in the dreams while he is in the bed in one place?! What a brain we have by chance!!!!. Our brain (memory) is a library Archie for the nice past memories and our information saved in our memory our brain is (a memory card) we can imagine things too wow, surely you are the creator God. I love you so much.
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* Randomness makes ugly things imagine an eye under your moth / an ear up your nose Ewww Quraan: have I not made for him [human] two eyes, and a tongue and two lips? Quraan: O man! What had made you careless about your lord, the Most Generous? Who created you, fashioned you perfectly, and gave you due proportion. In whatever form he willed, he put you together.
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Question: why this (Big Ban theory) doesn't repeat again and make such marvelous creators with arranged complex anymore? It is because that Big ban theory is a lie or you have a theory for this? When I put a timed bobm between woods' pieces I don't get only more mess!
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*Read posts, 4, 5, 6 è for more information about human arranged complex.
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*The Darwinism fails: Click here
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YoursSincerely,
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The computer inventor, he invented the computer so that the computer will do what is ordered to him from the inventor, the inventor clicks on a folder twice and that means in the computer language (open the folder), so it will open it. If your computer doesn't respond to your orders, tell me honestly what will you do? It is not just not responding, it is doing other things that you didn't ask it to do it? Not just that, it is destroying, removing, and deleting your precious stuffs and files?? Honestly what will you do? Myself, I will kill him by removing the plug that the computer is connected to it. Because the computer is yours then you have the utter freedom and the only right to choose the way of getting rid of it when your computer doesn't respond to your commands it is exactly the same God had created us and he is the only one who has the right to choose how is the punishment will be of those who don't respond to him, they are not just not responding to him they are (some of them) abusing and misusing in his creation (the universe, globe and creatures etc) by making harmful things and deeds.
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Dear buddy, regarding religion we should search for the true religion if there is God and that God has a religion (i.e. the religion of God) and if we will find that true religion which is based on proofs then we have to follow its rules, As you have the utter freedom to order your computer to do whatever you want because it is yours then why God doesn't have this freedom too? We are his creators, if course I am saying that, if you will find that there is a God and has a religion, then you have to follow his rules. Exactly as you following your Job rules.
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What do you mean by original sin! That's what the Christians believe in, if so; do Jewish have such belief too? And on which verse they based this belief on?
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Wow, I love to read such words. Yes dear brother, go on and keep searching, all peace and love be with you in your every step Amen, my deepest sincere best wishes.
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If your post is only dispatched to Campbell and you don't want any member to comment on it then just ignore my comments
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Are you sure! I.e. any experience?
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Seek, read, discuss etc/ Myself, I believe that if there is a prophet of God then God will support him with things as evidences to prove his true prophethood.
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What if that God want you to believe in a particular belief? Did you checkup on this matter?
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God with me, I love this, Thank you very much
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I think if I wasn't believer in God I would not be like I am now.
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Quraan: … And had you been severe and harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about you; so pass over (their faults) and ask (Allah's) forgiveness for them
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The Prophet said PBUH: who doesn't be merciful towards people, Allah doesn't be merciful toward him.
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Quraan: … and speak good to people
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Quraan: truly, Allah is with those who fear him (keep their duty to Him) and those who are Muhsinun (good-doers)
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Quraan: … let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allah may forgive you? And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. è If you forgive who harmed you etc then God will forgive your sins that you committed by disobeying him etc.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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It's hard to imagine what I'm trying to convey. The atom does not come from nothing. Nor was it created. It's a strange concept, this perpetual existance. The atom has existed FOREVER and will exist FOREVER. Time and space were never created and will never end. Its a continual stream that just feeds itself. Almost like that optical illusion with the waterfall feeding itself or the stairs that never end.

I completely see your point how things as complex as the human mind and life itself cannot just exist. The universe is too random for something as rare and complex as life to just happen.

But if time has existed FOREVER and will exist FOREVER, then absolutely any and every possible random event has happened and will happen again. If my theory of an infinite amount of Big Bangs is true, then life has happened before and will happen again. There has existed an existance for every possible situation that's feasible. It's quite possible that trillions of trillions of trillions of years ago that our world existed exactly the way it does today except that I just blinked my eyes twice instead of once. Or that Hitler won WW2. Or that world peace has been achieved. Or that you ate toast instead of cereal for your breakfast one day. Its a wild and farfetched theory but I cannot find any holes in it.

Now as for your example of the table that appeared randomly. Any live being can alter its surroundings. This includes animals, bacteria, plants, humans, etc. We as humans alter our surroundings to suit our needs. I for one believe in evolution. I, though do not know the origin of life. If there is a god as a divine being and not just an idea, the origin of life would be the X under which we start to dig. That and metaphysical concepts such as emotions and justice.

But if an infinite amount of random events happened, life is bound to have started.

I see god not as a divine BEING. (with emphasis on being, not divine) I see god as a divine concept. The concept of infinity is (in my humble opinion) god. Time itself and existance was not created by a god, but rather IS god. Mathematics IS god. The fact that we know of a specific set of rules that applies to every nook and cranny in the entire universe is incredible. They are a constant throughout the magnificent universe. Mathematics doesnt change. Music is governed by mathematics. Life is governed by mathematics.

God is not a being that creates things, but rather God is the set of rules that NEVER EVER EVER change no matter where (or when) you are in existance.

Its interesting how many religions compare humanity to an imperfect image of God. That men were created in the image of God. This idea, believe it or not, applies to my concept of god. If god is a set of constant laws by which the universe operates, then mankind, and mankind's imperfect political and moral laws are created in the image of perfect laws (aka god). Its crazy just how related religion is to science. People ought to embrace the similarities between science and religion and not focus on differences and ignorance. It is possible to believe in science and god at the same time. I hope I have begun to prove that.

 

"What do you mean by original sin! That's what the Christians believe in, if so; do Jewish have such belief too? And on which verse they based this belief on?"

Jews do not believe in original sin. According to Jewish belief, there is no hell. So how could a child who hasn't been baptised go to hell. And if there is a divine being who is merciful and benevelent, why would he condemn children to an eternity of hell for being born? The whole idea of original sin in my eyes is a ploy created by the Catholic church in order to convert more people to Catholicism. (I think most Catholic traditions are ploys to gain converts) Christmas occurs near the winter solstice (an important pagan holiday) in order to ease the conversion and assimilation of pagans.

The Sabbath day for Jews occurs on Friday night to Saturday night. It occurs on Sunday for Christians and yet the concept of the Sabbath originates from Genesis. A book shared by both religions. Im not sure which one or why, but a pope changed it. I believe it was to broaden the rift between Christianity and Judaism.

I dont know, it just seems to me that most Christian traditions stemmed from politics and not from truth.

 

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Please Stephen let us avoid using such words, please and keep using nice words like when you wrote

I am not obligating you to do so, that's up to you, but I wish so

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I understand you, but it is better to us to control our selves plus we can defend our selves by other ways, it is better for us to show others (if they harmed us or mocking on us etc) why we think they are faulty and harsh exactly as you did and gave your opinion and expression afterwards in a kind and nice way. I know sometimes we cannot control ourselves so we apologize later, myself I never become angry at or rather hate those who harmed me harshly when they are in an anger case, I forgive them even if they won't apologize because I know if they weren't angry they won't say and do so.
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I think it isn't logical, how did this atom exist? Something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something. You talked about an explosion (Big bang) which means there was a random scattering; accordingly if you will scatter three different colors randomly in a white paper could you ever get After billions years a picture for Wales' flowers! Or a picture of London's street!!
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The Jigsaw puzzle [a picture cut up into many pieces] would you believe me if I will tell you that a wind or something fitted these pieces together? Something which doesn't have a brain to think where it should put each piece!!
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What did that atom contain? I.e. what were its elements? Something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something.
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I think the butterfly is an enough proof of God's existence, because its wing's figure and shape is so beautiful with so beautiful colors and designs too. Design indicates a designer. When human beings come across footprints on a beach, they immediately conclude that a human being had walked by there some time previously. No one imagines that the waves from the sea settled in the sand and by chanced produced a depression looking exactly like human footprints.
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I think you lost me, We as humans alter our surroundings to suit our needs, if we will assume that the human was the first being for example who suited his body to the nature which is around him? Who suited his teeth to eat? Who linked each nerve with a specific organ? Who? the nothingness or the randomness which cannot think of the purpose of doing such things like teeth to eat, ears to hear etc. when the human has two holes in his nose to breath, it is happened by chance?, why human have digestive system, it was this by chance??? Why there is a link between the digestive system and the urinary system, by chance? Why there is a pipe which delivers what you ate to your stomach by chance? Why you have teeth, was it a decoration? Impossible, there must be someone who formed each creature, who made this magnificent system in the creatures of eating, breathing etc; I hope you get what I mean.
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Why you don't believe me if I will tell you that I put metal scraps in my store for thirty years, and an evolution happened and I got my own smart computer??? A smart computer which can let you talk to people and search for the information through the internet!
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So what does Hell mean in Torah's verse?
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E.g. Psalms 9. 17: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalms 55.15: Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
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When and where God did state such thing my dear brother
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So, God didn't state such thing, this is the truth.
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YoursSincerely,
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I read such similar thing too! I will quote it for you:
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YoursSincerely,
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Do you think that the Bible predicted and forbade the doctrine of Christmas trees in Jeremiah 10:1-8: Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
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Actually, the Trinity isn't biblical, the word Trinity is not even in the Bible and was never taught by Jesus and was never mentioned by him, plus Isaiah's prophecy, Matthew 15: 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 21.43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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Acts 17: 18 regarding Paul: … He seems to be advocating foreign gods.
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KJV Matthew: 19.16-17:One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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* Why callest thou me good? Or in modern English, “Why do you call me good?”
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1- “Why do you call me good?” Why did Jesus question his own
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Goodness?
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2- Jesus emphatically stated that “there is none good but one, that is,
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God” Why did he refer to the one God as the “good” one only?
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3- Why did he exclude himself from being good, if he were God?
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4- Jesus explicitly pointed out that “if thou wilt enter into life, keep the
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Commandments” Why didn’t Jesus command the questioner to believe
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in him (Jesus) as God in order to enter into eternal life? Or Based on Jesus’ testimony, isn’t keeping the commandments enough for getting eternal life?
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YoursSincerely,
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CatStevens
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