hell may not be that bad after all

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by willpower, Dec 17, 2004.

  1. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Yeah, I can see that modesty is something you are averse to.......
    spiritual ignorance............nice term, that is my opinion of you too, what a coincidence
    I never said I believe we reincarnate back into animals, my study says you either stay or move up, not backwards, if you could notice.

    In BC where I live, the Christians banned the local Natives from holding Potlatchs. It is a celebration of giving, where the message is that whoever gives the most is revered the most.
    So, you call humility spiritual ignorance, and they banned a celebration of philanthropism?

    Who is the spiritual cold fish?
    you tell me
     
  2. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Oh yeah


    for the third time


    hello.......



    Do all other faithful folk burn in hell?


    You just rant personal attacks at me, and blatantly ignore my question.


    Maybe 3 is the magic no.?
     
  3. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    The celebration is a nice idea and all, but I do not completely agree with it. Giving is something you should do of your own will. You have been given, so you should give in return. Not because you expect to recieve something for it. Granted, I do not think it should have been banned, but the idea is a little misguided.

    Many say that Christianity is mind controlling. Satan using religious leaders in other countries to tell people that they must starve themselves in order of the sacredness of an animal is mind controlling.

    Christ said, "I am the way, truth, and life. Without me, ye shall perish."
     
  4. Jatom

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    It's really quite simple you see. God judges everybody. Those who accept Christ's sacrifice are, in a sense, dressed in His righteousness. Therefore, when God looks down upon them He doesn't see their sin, but Christ's righteousness. As for those who do not except that gift, their sins are not covered, and God sees their sin (and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23))
     
  5. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Blasphemous, tell that to the people that died when God flooded the earth.
    He destroyed the entire population of the world and saved only Noah and his family. And if that story was not true, how come they are finding pillar lava at the top of Mt. Ararat?
     
  6. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Jesus said it, Unless a man is born again he will not see the kingdom of God.
    And Jesus also said no man comes to the Father but by me.
    John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
    John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
     
  7. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Dec. 9th, 1975, Grade 5 I was born again


    A missionary was working in India and asked the Hindu prospect if he finally agreed he must be born again.

    Hindu: yes, I know I must be born again.
    Christian: thats great to hear, I am so glad
    Hindu: and again, and again, and again....


    see ya on the other side...................If you get there first, you should warn the old Prince of Darkness that the guy who has been calling him out and calling him a coward for 20 is coming down soon, so he better watch out.
    It will be his worst nightmare...lol
     
  8. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Well what is your study based on, and if you don't believe in to many facts why do you believe you are right? Because most who study that belief system would say that a person who did not live a good life will come back as an animal. That's why India has so many cows walking around. And I can't speak for who ever these Christian are. I could make broad statements like this to, but I try to narrow what I'm saying down to facts that can be identified.
     
  9. BlackGuardXIII

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    clearly they werent the christians in south america....lol
    the local ones.
    I am unsure if there is even a God. My personal experiences have not led me to believe that, for certain. I call it Spirit........it is my faith alone
    I have seen enough of other phenomena to believe in guardian angels, prayer, precognition, astral travel, and miracles.
    You do make those same broad statements.......all the time lol
    The Buddhist Scriptures I studied do not feel you can go back.
    I have not studied the Vedas very much, though since they appear to be the source of the John 1:1 verse, and describe metal flying machines and electric streetlights, and the freezing over of Siberia, they are on my to read list.
    the problem is that they are so much longer and more complex than the good book, that took no time at all to read three times. One chapter of the Vedas is 5 X the length of the bible.

    No matter........I am sure that Hell will have a big library fully stocked with all the 'wrong' faiths....lol
     
  10. willpower

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    and what facts are they?

    every story has to have a hero... noah being the only devoted follower of god ata time when tempatations we at an all time low... only one worthy og forgiveness...damn where does that leave you when he returns to destroy the world a 3rd time? i mean do you hinestly think you are worthy enough?

    the bible is nothing more than a collections of stories and fables, the teachings of christ have been munipilated, misconstrued, altered, mis qouted and basically ill represented...

    lets talk about how you rgod toys with your life... remember the story of job? he allowed a devout to lose everything he loved all to prove a point! sounds a bit as if your god wishes he was more a man than a man wishes he is more of a god... there are countless other examples of how your god will use one of his own as a message for others... but here is the thing you must ask yourself.. how would you recieve the lord on the next coming... sounds to me you would be just a judgemental as me but only difference is at least with me your god knows where he stands... with yall christians... its any mans guess you do so much to seem so devoted that you often forsake devotion itself!
     
  11. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    JDFU, funny how you talk so high, but have no idea about what you're talking about. You may know the bible (though you still seem to miss the spirit of the work), but you sure as shit don't really understand Hinduism or the belief structures therein. Maybe you should read up on them, to avoid looking like a fool so often.
     
  12. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    So you believe all non-christians go to hell forever to burn, even those who lead good lives according to what they've been taught? Why do you make god so small?
     
  13. Revenant Phantasm

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    Im gonna say something, that has to do with hell being good.. "It's better to die on your feet than to live the rest of your life on your knees." im not sure if thats exactly what zapata said, but it can relate to the subject. Im an atheist but it makes sense that ruling with lucifer would be better than serving god
     
  14. BlackGuardXIII

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    His God makes no sense to me. Love is not damning good people cuz they wisely doubt some hard to swallow, hard to follow, statement that they are told to believe.

    They are renovating heaven right now, so there will be room for all good folk whatever they choose as a belief. The atheists, Wiccans, Pagans, and all the rest will now have rooms in heaven.
     
  15. BlackGuardXIII

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    Better to live one day as a tiger, than a hundred years as a sheep.
    If you never take a risk, you risk even more.
     
  16. JesusDiedForU

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    Collection of stories that predict the future that you ignore. No I am not worthy of heaven, but I try to live the life, my sins are covered by the blood of Christ because I am born again. Who covers your sins?
     
  17. BlackGuardXIII

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    Explain why you would pawn off your sins off on anyone else.
    I feel it is very important to take responsibility for you own actions, and make things right by yourself as best you can. Any less, is shirking, and to me, it is like getting someone else to kill your dog, you gotta shoot your own dog.
     
  18. Epiphany

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    Heaven is a place of eternal peace for believers to go after their time here on earth to be with the Lord. If someone doesn't believe in him, then why would they believe they will be with him? If you do not particularly care for someone, do you spend time at their home? Heaven is the Lord's home. Everyone is sent an invitation, yet not everyone will choose to come.

    God shows us in his word, very clearly, how to get to Heaven. That way is through Christ. You can't get on a plane without a ticket and you can't get to Heaven without him.

    John 3:3 - The Lord himself says that no one will enter his kingdom unless they are born again.... John 3:5 explaining the need to be born both of water baptism and of spiritual baptism.

    Last line of Hebrew 3:10 - "Their hearts are always going astray and they did not know my ways." 11 - "They shall never enter my rest."


    Heaven and Hell are choices you make on your own.
    Heaven - eternal life with God
    Hell - eternal life without God

    If one does not wish to know him in life, they will not know him in death.
     
  19. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    What about jews? Do they go to hell, they don't accept jesus...
     
  20. Epiphany

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    The Jewish people believe in the Lord, but they did not accept him when he came to earth as flesh. Few people did. According to him, whoever believes in him has taken the first steps towards eternal life with him. They don't believe in him so...

    This isn't my point of view. I am only reinstating what his word says.
     

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