Heaven Sucks

The concept of heaven makes the Earth pale in comparison.

 

Imagination, make it what you want it to be!

 

Isn't that an argument that Heaven doesn't suck?

 

Heaven would be worth it if from every drinking fountain, ice-cold (*craft*) beer or hot Starbucks coffee flowed. If steamy pork chops, butter biscuits, and fudge cakes grew on trees, unspoiled and just waiting to be picked. If at the end of every rainbow there would be either a Beetles or Ronnie Dio concert playing full blast. If there were 30 hot(non-crazy) women for every man. If every great lost work of man winded up in heaven in mint condition and incorruptible. If every man, upon entering the pearly gates, received a brand new Harley Davidson, model of their choice. If every night, Dante, Milton, Homer, Virgil, Ovid, LoveCraft, Shakespeare, Simone Weil, Del Torro, Tolkien, Edgar Allen Poe, and Mignola would sit and have expensive dinners with me, being served by the Muses, we would joke and laugh, drinking high end-wine until we could barely stand. If every time before I went to sleep, Thalía would come over and whisper a bed-time story softly into my ear until I fell asleep.

 

I dumped a Greek Godess once. More fool me.

 

Earth and humans mix well. Unfortunately, humans are not the stewards they should be. Heaven is a p!ace of spirit beings, something you know nothing about.

 

The concept of heaven.

 

heaven...is heaven in that sense..that it uplifts us to higher mental and spiritul values.....how can i explain this to you all?
a concept of heaven like the Samantha says..or like you all say...cannot be described in words..
it is just heaven..but who are we?to get ourselves into these higher values in life??
heaven..is a word to me..which can mean a LOT of things..
does a heaven or a hell for that matter?exists?is it real?in our minds and life expectations?
i put a youtube here...sorry in Portugese..but i love languages..languages bring us together..
in my gypsie travell life..I speak a lots of languages..languages of the soul,the heart..
and also...let me tell you..I can speak Chinese orJapanese...
with a hot potato in my mouth..ahahahah
in my concept..heaven never sucks...it gets us into higher grounds..hippiewise speaking..
and this is a hippieforum..or am i going wrong here(hihi)?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiLqqWXZQsI

 

i think that's the point. it's been a relatively successful concept so far.

 

I doubt that's true of most pious Christians. I think Tertulian (or was it Saint Jerome) had that concept, but that was back in Roman antiquity. I was at a dinner party a couple of weeks ago where two of my Christian friends got into a discussion about what Heaven would be like. One thought he would be reunited with departed loved ones; the other thought such things would no longer be of matters of concern. I think of Heaven, like Hell, as a state of mind experienced in the here and now rather than the hereafter,. As I've often said, Hell is a bad attitude--a fixed attachment to what Buddhists call tanha : craving for, or attachments to, that which is transitory--wealth, status, power, sensual pleasure,etc. In the Abrahamic tradition, this is similar to what the Muslims call shirk and Jew and Christians call idolatry. It becomes hell when the attachment is so great that it becomes a permanent fixation, accompanied by denial of all responsibility for the suffering it causes and by projection of the cause outward onto something or someone else: God, the government, neighbors, boss, foreigners, etc. When salvation is permanently rejected, what hope is there for attaining it? In Dante's Inferno ,Satan himself is depicted as being trapped in a block of ice--in the middle of Hell! The ice is generated by his huge wings, flapping desperately in an effort to escape from God. Heaven is the absence of tanha --i.e., nirvana--plus a more positive realization of oneness with the Ground of Being--similar to the Hindu concept of moksha. In Abrahamic terms, it involves total union with God and realization that only God is important. With this state of mind comes total freedom and bliss. And that is Heaven.

 

Your train of thought needs far more advancement unless there is understanding which you have chosen to neglect to espouse

 

Yes.
If you think of Heaven and Hell as actual locales, you are way off.

 

My heavens are all surrounded by mighty walls and we eat, fuck and drink and battle one another in training for Ragnorak. Between nights you'll see me riding my two horned bicorn across the rainbow bridges to different heavenly halls in seek of simple companionship.

As a part time Valkyrie I also cook boar and serve mead to our warriors in the halls of Valhalla before I grow tired and retire to my chambers in Fólkvangr in seek of comfort and companionship with Freyja and the other half of the soldiers slain in battle.

That's my heaven. Dunno what y'all be thinking of. But if it's Christian, eep. Don't be looking for your family as physical entities because the soul does not resemble any physical life form nor does it come back to your best physical being. You're going to be looking for an energy, that's all. Kinda sad really.

My grandmother once had a hard time dealing with this same concept. How would she know she is with her husband in the afterlife? She didn't believe in the soul being a physical appearance of oneself. She thought that was nonsense and even more nonsense that the soul would revert back to its prime self in the best condition you were ever in in your life. She could I only comprehend that if it did in fact resemble a physical being then it would still be my old, frail granddaddy. I always found that sad. I wonder if they've found each other now. I hope they're at peace.

 

There's always room for improvement.

 

I think of the "soul" as a concept--information rather than energy, albeit it depends on a base of energy in the form of electrical impulses and a material base in the neurons of the brain. I don't plan to be going anywhere after death except six feet under to become food for numerous life forms. But I could be unpleasantly surprised.

 

I think you will be. there's so much more to this life than what we are now taught to believe, but nobody really knows anything about the beyond. And those who think they do know something about the beyond through their own experiences, well they shroud the afterlife in mystery and I personally find that beautiful and though I don't want to die anytime soon, I look forward to moving on. If it doesn't happen then I guess I'll never know about it and it won't ever bother me. Until then though, life's is too boring for me to live without having some imagination and a little fantasy about the other side.

 

Most certainly understanding is limitless

 

I was responding to the comment about pious Christians being entertained by viewing the suffering of others in hell, but I think the main point is also incorrect. The attractions of heaven are sufficiently positive as a carrot that the stick isn't needed. Many Christians don't believe in or think about hell, but they do believe in Heaven. Of course one could argue that the excitement about going to a wonderful place carries an implicit negative possibility of not doing so, but I doubt the need for a place of eternal suffering to make heaven a worthwhile goal. Our present condition would be a sufficient contrast for that.