He fucking won!

Another Assumption!

 

Oh no!

An assumption!

Kind of like the way you assumed you were Howard Roark when you read The Fountainhead.

wake up.

 

What symbol????

Who's head is on who's ass??

I dont want a fucking symbol....I want a LEADER. A proven leader!

AS I said before, there have been no worthy candidates for the presidency of the US for at least 30 years!

FDR was the last real leader this country has seen.

 

You're obviously out of ideas. I clearly said "probably".

Soon you're just going to result to personal attacks right?

 

Another empty argument. You love to waste bandwidth?

Your statement had nothing worth responding to besides the accusation. It had no impact on me, other than wasting 15 seconds to read it, and 30 seconds to type this response.

 

I understand where you're getting at, I really do, but personally, I really don't want to hear about their fucking hard aches, be a man & swallow it, then move on with your life. Some probably have, but it's the mainstream media plus these black society groups that don't want to give it up because it keeps their pockets filled. The real evil in this country is Jesse Jackson, & Rev. Wright that keeps this garbage fueling too name a few.

 

You haven't even addressed my main argument. Which is that a capitalist society only works with people on the bottom. Also that the people on the top use and abuse the people on the bottom, and therefore they need the protection and help of the same system which keeps them there.

Theres no reason why someone who can't get any job other then a minimum wage job should have to struggle to eat and pay for shelter while the people on the top on that very same company WHICH CAN NOT FUNCTION WITHOUT THE BOTTOM are living a life of DECEDANCE.

What is your argument against that, because so far you haven't even addressed it?

 

If you really want to see racism, look at what is happening to hispanic people in this country. THEY are being held down.

Of course, I must bow to your infinite wisdom. In a whole 22 years on this planet, you obviously have figured out all of the worlds problems.

I bow to you!

 

I agree with you 100%. The black community doesnt really have any decent intelligent leaders at this point. The leaders they do have only keep them more divided.

 

There's the personal attack right there. I have clearly stated I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE ANSWERS. I just understand the problem, and the problem is capitalism. I don't have any suggestions to any other system. I just know that within a capitalist society, it's better to take care of the people underneath you then to abuse and use them.

 

Move to a communist country.

This country is built on opportunity. Some get rich, some die trying. Millions of people around the world risk life and limb to come here for that opportunity.

As I said...I have struggled. I had no advantages handed to me. I worked hard to overcome it. I know plenty that have of all skin colors. If I can do it, anyone can.

BTW..show me a society that DOESNT take advantage of the workers.

 

Thats just not true. Some people LACK the intelligence, drive, or whatever to climb out of whatever hole they're in, and it's not fair that we just throw them to the side saying, well some die trying.

We live in a society that CAN take care of them.

I can understand the whole, I work hard to get ahead, why shouldn't they have to do the same. But the problem isn't that simple. Especially not for black people in certain parts of the country. There are lots of different societal problems which lead to people becoming disenfranchised, and its this societies responsibility to take care of those disenfranchised.

 

It's not a lack of intelligence. I know plenty of people that lack brain pwer that have made it by relying on muscle. They make good livings (brick layers, concrete, etc), but they work HARD for it.

Lacking drive? That is a lazy man's excuse, unless you have a disability that doesnt allow you to work. If you are an able bodied person that doesnt feel like working, too damn bad. Nothing in life is free. I'm not paying your way.

 

And saying, move to a communist country is just a cop out bullshit retort. What are you living in the fucking 60s?

Communism as an idea is utopia, as a practice is hell because of inherent human faults.

Don't say stupid shit like that.

 

There are more reasons then just someone doesn't feel like working that they lose drive.

Look it's easy for me to say, I can suck up my problems, I can overcome the shit in my life, I can go on with myself and work and take care of myself. Some people like to wallow in their own shit, some people like to trick themselves into thinking they have no opportunities, some people can't just suck up the problems of their life and go on living.

A lot of the time those types of people are a victim of circumstance and randomness, not a victim of their own actions. Sometimes people are born into poverty and violence, and only taught that same mentality throughout their developing life. With out institutions to take care of them and try and get them on some sort of right track we're just disregarding them for something thats not even their fault.

 

You live in the best country in the world, yet hate it? I dont understand where you are coming from.

If you really dislike the system, MOVE. Try another one. Communism, in theory, takes care of the little man. That's what you are bitching about.

We wont mention that in a communist system that 90% of wealth is held by 1% of the population. It is the ultimate system to take advantage of the little guy. No one needs to be rewarded for shit!

 

In that case, it's SOCIETY'S responsibility, not the huge, money hungry government, to help those people. I would bet that 30% of the money allocated to help people gets absorbed into costs pertaining to running the machine that hands the money out to undeserving people. Why should the bureaucracy get paid, and the people that NEED it not get paid??

 

I agree with you on this one as well, some people have problems that being mental or physical, a lot of these problems can't be fixed, so why should they have to live on the streets or in shelters, or health violated homes because they can't contribute anything to society.

Why should they be punished for this? I also don't believe these people should be kept in insitutions either.

 

There you are, attacking instead of actually debating with me.

1, I never said I hated the country.

2, that's a real communist society, on paper the wealth belongs to everyone equally. I never said it worked, I said it was HELL. You're using typical retorts.

Just because I'm unhappy with the way things are here, don't mean I'm any happier with how they are somewhere else. I want change for what I see is wrong, I don't just want to go, well fuck I don't like whats going on here I should move somewhere else.

Why is it that people like you always retort with that don't like it move mentality. Isn't the point of living in society to make it better, to recognize it's faults and improve them, not just give up and say, oh well I'm getting the fuck out of here.

 

No problem Flagrant.. :cheers2: