Have you looked at Gnostic Christianity?

And this is exactly what you expect to here from someone so suckered in he thinks he is the one and only. What religions teach us hey,,,

You coulda dunnit better greatest one.

Just proves my point in your other thread.

 

Gnostic Christianity takes the Bible stories as symbols for understanding creative principles including inside the human body. It looks beneath the outter cloak of literal interpretation into the inner mysteries that relate to present reality. Studying the Bible in this way is the only way it makes sense imo.

 

Stories of you mean.
Having and being are the same.
When we see christ, we shall be like him.

 

This pattern seems evident only in the first Gospel, Mark.

The Trinity is a useful metaphor, resembling the Hindu Trimurti or the feathered serpent Quetzalcoatl in Aztec/Toltec theology. It represents a bridge between the masculine (yang) and feminine (yin) aspects of reality, or between the world (tonal) and the spirit (nagual).

That's very doubtful. The allegorical approach to Scripture was characteristic of Catholic interpretation, from Origen to the present. The literalist approach is an aberration of the Reformation and American Protestantism. Neither Constantine nor the Roman church had anything against metaphors. They were mostly concerned with uniformity and order. Saint Irenaeus, the first Christian herisologist to go after gnosticism in a big way, saw it mainly as an obstacle to uniformity of belief and the authority of the church.

 

I agree.

Jesus even warned against literalists and suggested what you say to do.

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Literalist hinder people from going within.

Regards
DL

 

When did Jesus become an allegory to Christianity and not a literal and real person?

Uniformity of literal belief in only the 4 main gospels and a creed that made Christians idol worshipers.

Rome wanted sheep instead of thinking goats and that is what they created.

Regards
DL

 

I think Jesus was a literal and real person, but that doesn't mean the Bible is to be taken literally. It was never the intention of the authors to write science or history. St. Irenaeus of Lyons played a major role in identifying and limiting the gospels of mainstream Christianity to the four. Yes, he was also the first to lead the charge against Gnosticism, and his goal was to bring order and uniformity to a religion in which Jews and Gentile monotheists and polytheists who worshipped as many as 365 gods could all claim the Christian label. Rome wanted unity, and didn't much care about the content. In Darwinian terms, it seems to have been a successful effort in terms of numbers of followers and survival over twenty-one centuries.

 

Wat bro?

 

Okiefreak

So to you, the bible should not be read literally except for the parts about Jesus. Do I have that about right?

The water walking and other miracles were real to you. Right?
Or is that the part you do not read literally?

Regards
DL

 

Yes, that's the part I don't read literally. I think there's enough evidence for a reasonable person to believe that Jesus existed, and that He said and did many of the things attributed to him in the gospels. That would include healing "miracles", since we have plenty of faith healers today who do those (but I think they're hysteric or psychosomatic phenomena). In general, I follow Hume on miracles. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,and the evidence for the nature miracles is extraordinarily weak. I don't require signs and wonders to accept Jesus as my Savior.

 

So you believe in his miracles but dislike the evidence and will believe anyway.

That is called self delusion but carry on if that is your thing.

The Jesus you believe in I believe was invented by Rome because that Jesus has poor morals. Like his divorce and forgiveness policies.

From MPOV, we will never be able to know if a Jesus as described in the bible ever live but we can know that if his moral tenets were not moral, then that Jesus never likely lived.

I will argue those morals with you as arguing for a real Jesus will gain us nothing.

Let me know if you wish to argue morality of the issues given or the others spoken of in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVfY9k&feature=player_embedded"]Jesus Christ: Madman or Something Worse? - YouTube

Regards
DL

 

I heard the Catholic priest damn the Gnostics just the other day . he
didn't quite say why so I spose it's become a tradition of opposition .

last night in reading Thomas Aquinas (c.1250ad) I see he cussed the
heretical philosophers like this :

For certain heretics assert that all bodily things are from the evil
principle : and from this it follows that the soul cannot reach the
height of perfection unless it be separated from the body ...

This will include a resurrection body .

Others say that the entire nature of man is seated in the soul , so
that the soul makes use of a body as an instrument , or as a sailor
uses his ship : wherefore according to this opinion , it follows that
if happiness is attained by the soul alone , man would not be baulked
in his natural desire for happiness , and so there is no need to hold
the resurrection .

It is clear that if man cannot be happy in this life , we must of
necessity hold the resurrection .

who shall be devoted to misery ?
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.

 

I saw Jesus last night, two of them. I went to the ZZ Top concert last night and they looked just like him, long beards and all, wooohooo!
They even did a miracle, thy made everyone stand up when they walked on stage, it was awesome.

 

For enlightenment, Gnostic Christians do not care what theology is internalised. Internalising any theology will work to activate the pineal gland. Wee see al religions and Gods as myths and it maters not which myth is used.

That is part of the beauty of being a Gnostic Christian and Universalist. We can accept anyone and allow them their unique God without cursing it as a false God. Troubles only arise when idol worshipers like Christian literalists and Muslims get involved with their holier than everyone else attitude.

Regards
DL

 

Jesus did not become an allegory. Jesus becomes a symbol, of necessity, that we can relate to when his physical presence disappears. We cannot produce him but can relate symbolically until such a point as we relate biologically, i.e. when we see christ we shall be like him.

How shall we be like him? First off you must desire god with all your heart and strength and mind, that is to know, (mind,) the sensation, (heart,) and power,
(strength,) of god. Seek and you shall find.

And like it, love your brother as yourself.

There is a problem. You cannot love what you have judged against so...
Learning the meaning of forgiveness is the only lesson you need learn as you have no problem agreeing with yourself and feel justified by your verdicts.
Forgiveness is not judging in the first place. If you are seeking god then judging your brethren or even your own actions is counter productive to learning of god as you substitute your learning or the decisions of your past for the knowledge of his presence.

People of all stripes were and are already idol worshipers. You are mistaken as to the cause or even what the idol is.

You want to establish an argument and so this is what you put forward.

He who does not gather, scatters, there are no idle thoughts and this is why you are scattered in your apprehension of good.

I desire mercy not sacrifice. I desire that you love one another not demand of each other that we flay ourselves to satisfy some moral imperative.

 

This statement is entirely self contradictory.

To be consistent it should say,

Troubles only arise when we call others idol worshipers because we get involved in our own holier than thou attitude.

 

I wish I could like this ten times! Like like like like like like like like like like,,,
There I did it! God is gooood!

 

Are these holier than you?
If so then you are not to be listened to nor is your holier position shown nor should any moral man follow you.

African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 3
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related


Regards
DL

 

I didnt see theDope asking anyone to follow him/her. An assumption on your part. And you can use other people's bad ideas to make yours look good all you want, it's just another tactic. I could do that in my business to make people want me over others, I don't have to, my ability to show my good intensions and professionalism sells itself for me, why can't your religion do that without you slamming us and implying we are inferior to you?

 

It is not necessary to be greater than the father, it is enough to be like him. The I am I call myself is the same I am they call themselves and the same one your call yourself. I am is the name we inherit in creation. I think they are confused and to no greater extent than you.