harshness of joints

a bong rip outta a ice chamber are the best

 

well thats got elements of the right idea, but is wrong nonetheless

the harshness of the smoke in pipe or joint is determined by the distance it has to travel before reaching your mouth.

There is practically no air inside the chamber of a pipe when your smoking it, however the smoke is cooled down because it travels down the chamber to your mouth over a few inches.

a joint however, changes shape and size as you smoke it. when a joint starts, its often much smoother than a pipe. the smoke has to not just travel the length of the joint, but a much longer distance, because it travels around all the bits of weed, which makes the distance (or time it takes to get to your mouth) longer than the joint itself.
when the joint is close to the roach however, there is less and less distance to your mouth so it gets harsher and harsher

HOWEVEr theres also the element simply of how dry your weed is, whether its mainly leaf, or bud, or has stem in it; and if you mix with tobacco, the ratio and type of tobacco you use. but in terms of the one verses the other, a joint will be smoother at the start but harsher at the end (in general), a pipe will be practically the same the whole way through (in general, though slightly smoother at the start too)

so in conclusion, its to do with the time it takes for the smoke to get to your lungs that changes how harsh it is (really, how cool the smoke is), not the 'smoke to air ratio' which would only apply if you had a huge chamber or systematically used the shotty to mix the smoke with air within the pipe.

but everyone ahs a preference
you wont know till you try

 

if your buds harsh in a joint it probably means it hasn't been cured proberly - uncured bud or bud with a short curing time can be harsh

 

i smoke resin so i generally go by the rule, the harsher the joint the better

but to answer ur question no joints dont really tend to be harsher than pipes

 

you're so smart stonerbill! I love learning from your posts.

(can you tell I'm in a flattering mood today?)

 

You started your post saying harshness has to with how far the smoke travels before it gets to your lungs, but I agree with the above statement more. It's how LONG it takes to get to your lungs, for example, how harsh smoke is that has been left in a bong from a hit not fully taken. That will kill ya, no matter how smooth the original hit was.

 

i think youll find that the time it takes is practically directly related to the distance it has to travel, unless you inhale at rather different ratesthrough joints or bowls

 

you're talking about one thing: temperature.

harshness has nothing to do with temperature. your throat doesn't get irritated because the smoke is hot; it gets irritated because of the volume (or "concentration") of smoke that you are inhaling.

hitting a 6 foot bong is by no means smooth.... try it sometime. 6 feet is pretty far to travel i'd say. seems more plausible that harshness has at least something to do with amount of smoke you're taking in....

personally, i've never coughed just because the smoke was hot (eg. like from a one-hitter or a short stone pipe).

peace.

 

thats the case with bongs man, thats when your dealing with a huge lungful of regulatedly dense smoke.

 

why do you think you use a bong? because you cant inhale that amount of smoke through other methods without it fucking with your lungs

i know what your sayin tho, like the difference between marijuana and cigarette smoke, tobacco is much more thick and harsh on the lungs, but when were talkin about comparing a joint and a bowl, the factor that determines the harshness of a particular bunch of weed is the temperature, imo at least

 

Harshness basically is because of the temperature. Well, what I mean to say, is that the heat will get to you quicker than the actual harshness of the smoke will.

I've always found that smoking a joint is often smoother than smoking a pipe up until the joint is just a roach.

 

yeah, tobacco smoke is harsh as fuck - you cannot inhale it without severe pain/discomfort. this is a good analogy, pointing to differences in smoke composition.

but the thing is that i can inhale hot smoke just as easily as cool smoke - hot smoke only "burns" a bit on the top of the throat, but that's not harshness persay. let's see.. taking a hit from a gravity bong is usually "cool" but it is still really harsh. i dunno how to explain this really. hmm..

the heat from either a pipe or a joint can make me cringe or feel discomfort, but the heat is NOT what triggers me to cough. and if we can agree that coughing is a direct measure of harshness (?), then something in the "harshness depends on temperature" theory is not accounted for.

does heat make you all cough? because for me, coughing results from inhaling TOO MUCH smoke.

peace.

 

and there is proof that this thread is pretty pointless, as everyone has their own judgement of wahts harsh or not

and yes heat makes me gag and get a painful cough if i inhale it all (caus heat usually stops one from taking the whole hit), the cough from too much smoke is not the most uncomfortable cough

 

so that's it folks:

the harshness of joints depends on one's interpretation of what is "harsh."

i guess we can all go home now.

peace.

 

the way you could test if temp really has an effect on the harshness of the smoke:

take dry bong hit, assess the harshness
wait a little while for your throat/lungs to be normal again
then use a dry bong with a little ice and take a hit(im thinking the ice should cool it )
make the hits similar in size and use un-burnned green bud for both hits

i would try this now but im out for today

personaly i think that temp has less barring on the harshness factor as the concentraton of the smoke. though both do play a role.

 

nar man, but the point of this thread, someone asking others what is more harsh.. well since people find different things more harsh than others, whatever one person might tell him is harsh might not be as much for him

y'know?

 

hmm i generally find that, through personal experience, that harshness is related to the weed type, how hot/cool it is, and how big a hit u have taken.

 

if you find ways of coaxing the thc into an evaporated state without causing any material to burn>>rapid oxidation with visible flame<<you will get the sweetest smoke there is and cause the minimal amount of inflammation to the tissues of the windpipe/lungs. Harhness is that inflammation. b1

 

it inflames because it hurts, it doesnt hurt because its inflamed

 

sorry SB, you got that wrong>>what is perceived as pain/hurting in tissues that don't have pain/pressure sensors comes from chemical sensors (skin and other tissues have pressure sensors but brain tissue for example doesn't). The chemical sensors are activated by inflammation!
The real issue discussed in this thread however is "harshness". And usually harshness is defined as that quality that makes you cough. Coughing is caused by tiny little hairs(ciliae) lining the upper airways. They bend down gently when a clean airstream passes but when a dust particle for example is in that airstream it bends some of these hairs rapidly and further>>sending a signal that something needs expelled and we cough.
The airstream of lower quality smoke contains smaller amounts of 'oily' type micro droplets (the evaporated resin/oil/sticky stuff containing the thc molecules) and they activate those ciliae somewhat and the richer the smoke, the more and bigger 'oily droplets' are present and cause more reaction from the ciliae.
Test: inhale a similar quantity smoke (glass bowl filled with smoke) from regular quality weed and from a highly concentrated form derived from hashish or thc oil. And when inhaled at the same rate (sucking it in with the same force) as well you will then observe who will sit doubled over on the couch caughing their heads off and who will just sit there smiling with nary a sound. b1