hare krishna

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  1. gdkumar

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    "While we are sharing poems... Heaven is right around the bend
    but hell is close behind
    the world woos you from all sides
    beware. It is a deadly blind.

    The road to tread is straight ahead
    look not left nor right.
    Steady legs! Droop not head!!
    The end is within sight!!

    The road is long and paved with nails
    but the end is fair and sweet
    for Krishna bhagawan is waiting there
    Run!
    Run!!
    Run to His Lotus Feet!!!!

    His skin glows, his flute blows,
    poised upon his lips.
    What a blessing for that piece of wood
    to recieve Sri Hari's kiss!

    From that flute there spreads a single note
    "Come!! Come join my dance!!!"
    O call divine!!! Leave all behind!!!
    Don't waste this unique chance!!!

    A human birth , is rare on Earth,
    and swift from cradle to grave.
    but this time, you shall be mine,
    O my beloved Vasudev!!

    __________________ " ...... From Bhaskar.


    Hare Krishna!

    Dear Bhaskar,

    Wonderful! That's absolutely amazing. Thank you!
    I was jealous of all those who have had heard His flute, now I am jealous of that flute, the piece of wood, even.

    Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna!

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
  2. crummyrummy

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    sorry to sound stupid or at least ignorant, but I though Hare Krishna was an off shoot of Hindu?
     
  3. gdkumar

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    "Hope this won't seem out of place - it's one of my favourites.

    Ah, Sun-flower!

    Ah, Sun-flower! weary of time,
    Who countest the steps of the sun;
    Seeking after that sweet golden clime,
    Where the traveller's journey is done;

    Where the youth pined away with desire,
    And the pale virgin shrouded in snow,
    Arise from their graves, and aspire
    Where my Sun-flower wishes to go.

    William Blake.
    'Songs of Experience'..."................From BlackBillBlake

    Hare Krishna!

    Dear BBB,

    Thanks for the wonderful piece which is one of my favourites as well.
    Regarding your other comments on DKR , I think it is the common problem of forgetting things. As far as I know He was very well known in Europe, particularly in U.K. and France. He could speak and write fluently in English, French and Spanish. Ma was also fluent in English and French. Ma(From Punjab) could speak Bengali also, fluently. Both of them had a very large and culturally rich circle of friends in Europe. Those friends were all very well known and internationally famous in literature and spiritual world. But He was more widely and commonly known in the field of music. He was one of the greatest music composers of India. Slowly His life turned into a tyagi Sannyasi's life and He became all in one or Nirguna.

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
  4. gdkumar

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    "sorry to sound stupid or at least ignorant, but I though Hare Krishna was an off shoot of Hindu?"
    ............From CrummyRummy

    Hare Krishna!

    Dear CrummyRummy,

    Thanks for your post. I am afraid not you but now I will sound totally stupid and ignorant. Hare Krishna simply means worshipping Krishna. Now Krishna stands as a symbol of universal love which is unconditional and so without any discrimination. Now I do not know whether Krishna can belong to any particular religion or community or country. He belongs to everybody and to the whole world. We are the lovers and He is the beloved. That is the only identity. Somebody calls Him Jesus, some as Buddha, Allah and so on. Well, you can choose which name you like most to call Him by.

    Hope, this helps you.

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
  5. crummyrummy

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    Its a start. Thank you for not mocking me.
     
  6. cabdirazzaq

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    Where does it say that the function of jihad is to convert by force, this is against the quran it self: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error..."[2.255]

    If its function was to convert people by force then how come there are millions of arab christians still living in countries such as Syria and Egypt? Their churces have remained there in hundreds of years without being demolished, this because of the treaties which were signed between them. One of the close companions wrote to the people of Damascus:

    "This is what Khalid ibn al-Walid would grant to the inhabitants of Damascus if he enters therein: he promises to give them security for their lives, property and churches. Their city wall shall not be demolished, neither shall any Muslim be quartered in their houses. Thereunto we give them the pact of Allah and the protection of His Prophet, the caliphs and the believers. So long as they pay the poll tax(in order to be protected by the large muslim nation), nothing but good shall befall them. "

    We could take that question and ask it the other way around, how come there are almost no muslims or mosques in todays Spain even though muslims lived there like 700 years. During that time, jews, christians and muslim were living together without any complications until a certain catholic queen felt like breaking that peace treaty and ordered for all the jews to chose to either be exiled or convert, 20 000 thousands jews had to leave their home! The muslims soon faced the same criteria.

    If you want to make a point, please get the facts right.
     
  7. cabdirazzaq

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    If the love is unconditional, then we are certainly not speaking about the same god here which should exlude the name Allah from your list ^^

    Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Imraan]
     
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    "Its a start. Thank you for not mocking me."
    .........FromCrummyRummy

    Hare Krishna!

    Dear CrummyRummy,

    How can I or anybody else do that? Once you love Him you love all around you because you see your beloved in everything, all ill thoughts dissolve and only He remains. You are most welcome here to join all others who know only one thing...to share love with each other.

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
  9. crummyrummy

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    I dont follow the faith, i didnt know that.
     
  10. SvgGrdnBeauty

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    Dearest Kumar,

    I am glad you enjoyed the three poems...after the other night I just got in the mood and I've been reading poetry like that none stop....I found some particularly beautiful ones by Mirabai. :) Also, I wasn't on for awhile because my computer wouldn't connect to the internet again...but now its fixed :) (it wasn't a really bad problem like the last time. :) )

    "Unbreakable, O Lord,
    Is the love
    That binds me to You:
    Like a diamond,
    It breaks the hammer that strikes it.
    My heart goes into You
    As the polish goes into the gold.
    As the lotus lives in its water,
    I live in You.
    Like the bird
    That gazes all night
    At the passing moon,
    I have lost myself dwelling in You.
    O my Beloved - Return.

    -Mirabai

    --------
    This is the website I've been reading...its got some beautiful poetry from many different faiths. :)
    http://www.poetseers.org/the_poetseers/

    *Peace and Love*
    Nicole
     
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    Hare Krishna!

    Dear Cabdirazzaq,

    Thank you for your two posts. I understand what you tried to get at but please let us not get into any arguments. For Allah's sake please understand that I did not have any intention to annoy you or make you unhappy.

    We have fought enough world over, we have smeared enough blood with hatred, we have divided ourselves enough into a number of communities but nothing could bring the all important and desired fraternity and love amongst us. In all these God or Allah does not come in between and becomes responsible. We cause/caused all self-inflicted miseries. It has really been enough. What I am telling you, I tell myself and all others , too. It has been enough and it is only our responsibility to re-establish the new era of love and love alone.

    So, let us endeavour in that direction.

    With love,

    Kumar.
     
  12. cabdirazzaq

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    Thank you, I appreciate the answer
    You have to understand though that I do not really care if someone gives me a hard time because of my skin color, my looks or my personality but I can not stand my religion being misquoted.
     
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    "Unbreakable, O Lord,
    Is the love
    That binds me to You:
    Like a diamond,
    It breaks the hammer that strikes it.
    My heart goes into You
    As the polish goes into the gold.
    As the lotus lives in its water,
    I live in You.
    Like the bird
    That gazes all night
    At the passing moon,
    I have lost myself dwelling in You.
    O my Beloved - Return.

    -Mirabai"
    ..........................From SGB


    Hare Krishna!

    Dear SGB,

    Thank you, thank you, dear ! That is wonderful and entrancing.

    I am happy that your PC is O.K. now, it is good that we will see you regularly at the forums now.

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
  14. Bhaskar

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    In the raasa panchadhyayi, the gopikas ask Sri Krishna
    bhajato anubhajanty eka

    eka etad viparyayam
    nobhayaḿshcha bhajantyeka
    etan no bruhi sadhu bhoh

    There are 3 types of people in this world: those who only love others who love them; those who love others unconditionally; those who love nobody at all. What do you call such people?


    Sri Krishna replied: Those who love only when they are loved are selfish people, who don't know true friendship or love.

    Those who love others unconditionally are truly kind-hearted, or like parents, deeply attached and so bound to love.

    Those who don't love others no matter what, fall into 2 categories: utterly ungrateful and the realized souls. Those who are totally ungrateful and heartless love nobody, even if these people do good for them. Those who are realized souls love nobody, because they don't see the distinction of me and them; they dont see any otherness and so cannot love others.
     
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    Hare Krishna!

    Dear Bhaskar,

    Thank you for the wonderful piece of Jnana-yoga.
    Once realization comes it is all me , neither I can hate nor I can love anybody.
    The necessity goes away, but the realized souls still do it .... give love to one and all when they are amongst us in the society. That is for lok-siksha.

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
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    Two Rivers- Ralph Waldo Emerson




    Thy summer voice, Musketaquit,
    Repeats the music of the rain;
    But sweeter rivers pulsing flit
    Through thee, as thou through the Concord Plain. Thou in thy narrow banks art pent:
    The stream I love unbounded goes
    Through flood and sea and firmament;
    Through light, through life, it forward flows.

    I see the inundation sweet,
    I hear the spending of the steam
    Through years, through men, through Nature fleet,
    Through love and thought, through power and dream.

    Musketaquit, a goblin strong,
    Of shard and flint makes jewels gay;
    They lose their grief who hear his song,
    And where he winds is the day of day.

    So forth and brighter fares my stream,--
    Who drink it shall not thirst again;
    No darkness taints its equal gleam,
    And ages drop in it like rain.
     
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    Kumarji,

    That is vyavahara, for the sake of conduct in this temporal world, the enlightened ones also function in duality, although in constant abidance in the one self. It is like acting in a play, then. Knowing ones identity, the actor continues to play the role in which he is cast.
     
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    "That is vyavahara, for the sake of conduct in this temporal world, the enlightened ones also function in duality, although in constant abidance in the one self. It is like acting in a play, then. Knowing ones identity, the actor continues to play the role in which he is cast."
    ~~~~~~From Bhaskar.

    Hare Krishna!

    Dear Bhaskar,

    Thank you for the post. It is exactly so.
    The enlightened ones go above all needs, they live only to complete their part of the Divine Lila. They live for some Divine purpose, one being reflecting His compassion to uplift us and to turn us towards Him.

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
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    Two Rivers- Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Thy summer voice, Musketaquit,
    Repeats the music of the rain;
    But sweeter rivers pulsing flit
    Through thee, as thou through the Concord Plain. Thou in thy narrow banks art pent:
    The stream I love unbounded goes
    Through flood and sea and firmament;
    Through light, through life, it forward flows.

    I see the inundation sweet,
    I hear the spending of the steam
    Through years, through men, through Nature fleet,
    Through love and thought, through power and dream.

    Musketaquit, a goblin strong,
    Of shard and flint makes jewels gay;
    They lose their grief who hear his song,
    And where he winds is the day of day.

    So forth and brighter fares my stream,--
    Who drink it shall not thirst again;
    No darkness taints its equal gleam,
    And ages drop in it like rain.
    .....From SvgGrdnBeauty
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    Hare Krishna!

    Dear SGB,

    That is very very beautiful, thank you.

    Love,
    Kumar.

     
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    Hare Krishna!

    Mira was a real Princess but was more popularly known as the Beggar Princess. She had left everything behind just for a glimpse of Krishna, her Beloved. She was a Premi Bhakta, a devotee of the highest level.


    MIRA'S PRAYER

    When will you open your door, Beloved, when will you open
    your door ?
    How hard you've grown ! Oh, will you smile on Mira nevermore ?

    I know how sinful I am and how of sin you disapprove :
    But, Appraiser of all hearts ! tell me : which is greater : sin or love ?
    Would you, too, by our flares and flickers assay us from on high
    And like to the upright men ignore our waylost love's lone cry ?

    I'm not versed in austerities, nor meditation's lore :
    Love, love's my prayer, worship, contemplation's coral core.
    Would you, too, judge us by our learning, virtues, discipline ?
    Oh, tell me how then can I your Compassion's haven win ?

    What shall I do ? Life's pleasures pall : oh, how to attain your
    Grace,
    Come, come but once and tell me, Love, how I may glimpse your
    Face.
    My joys, my world -- all I held dear -- I have left for your sake :
    Asks Mira : "How can I now to others turn my thirst to slake ?"

    ........From HARK ! HIS FLUTE !.....By Dadaji, Dilip Kumar Roy

    Mira, without any reading or meditation, had learnt by simple belief and faith that God is the most kind, merciful and compassionate and is the only eternl existence. Everything else perishes but He does not. So, she loved Him in every conceivable form and way and eventually merged with her Beloved.

    Love,

    Kumar.

     

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