hare krishna

Hare Krishna!


Dear SGB,
I used to have a copy of that - I bought mine in about 1982-3 - can't recall what happened to it now - I think I lent it to someone and that was that! But I don't think it's available anymore.

Haribol!

 

This is from a conversation between George Harrison, Srila Prabhupada and Syamasundara.



Conversation with George Harrison

at Bhaktivedanta Manor, 1973

Syamasundara: Anyway, the translation is, "Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues."

Prabhupada: So this is your duty now. (laughs) By the grace of Krsna you are one of the great men. Although you are young man, but Krsna has placed you in such a high position that there are many young men who follows you. So that is the instruction.

George: There is some? You know, Syamasundara and I were talking just on the way here, and it's like when you commit yourself to something, in a way it's like putting your head on the chopping block. Because people, you know, somebody can turn around and chop it off or it may be lucky and, you know, it doesn't get chopped off.

Prabhupada: No, it is not chopping off.

George: I find that this, um, the more commitment that you make, or that I make, even though it's such a little commitment, I mean, relatively speaking it's such a little one. Now I'm getting in the area where I find that people are? It provokes, um?

Prabhupada: Thoughts.

George: Well, sometimes it provokes bad reaction.

Prabhupada: Accha?

Syamasundara: Sometimes people become agitated by his words.


Prabhupada: Oh. Murkhaya upadeso hi prakopaya santaya. There is a verse that if one is foolish, if you give him good instruction he becomes angry. Just like the example is given, payah-panam bhujanganam kevalam visa-vardhanam. If you keep a snake and if you give him milk the result will be that his poison will be increased. Payah-panam bhujanganam kevalam visa-vardhanam. So sometimes it happens that ah, if one is foolish, if you give him good advice he becomes angry. Murkhaya upadeso hi prakopaya santaya. But, has it happened like that? No, I don't think so.

George: I, you know, you can feel, I can feel a little animosity comes from people who, I don't know for what reason, but people?

Syamasundara: Envious maybe.

Prabhupada: Envious.

George: I don't know which is, in some ways the more committed you are to the thing and the stronger that you are in what you do then the stronger the animosity becomes.

Prabhupada: Yes, the other side.

George: And I'm not sure if? You know, sometimes I get the feeling that maybe there's one person who it means something real to and ten people who it doesn't mean anything to. And I'm not sure how it, if it all balances out in the end whether...

Syamasundara: Well, that one person though, if you reach one person he is worth all of them.

George: But say you don't reach any people, and then you have a choice of reaching people and you only reach one, but in, by reaching that one you have twenty people who are annoyed. You know, how do you??

Prabhupada: Yes, sometimes it happens.

Syamasundara: His question is that if you preach and you see many men, you meet many men. You may make? If you meet ten men you may make nine of them enemies and only one will become helped by your preaching. So how is that?

George: But if you don't say anything then maybe with all the ten of them are quite friendly.

Syamasundara: Is that? How is that beneficial?

Prabhupada: Yes, the preaching is different, you see. When one preaches he must tell the truth. Just like Lord Jesus Christ. The people did not like his preaching but he did not stop his preaching. That is another point. You see? So in the preaching propaganda there is possibility of creating animosity.

 

Dear BBB,


Thanks for that...I've read it once before...but its always good to read these things again...it seams you always get something new every time...

I agree with George...its hard to tell people because sometimes it feels like its not worth it to have people annoyed by you...I think that perhaps there's a time and a place to tell...you know?

 

Hare Krishna!

Dear SGB,

Yes, it can be difficult trying to tell people about Krishna and spread the spiritual message, and I'm sure you are right in saying there is a time and place. Sometimes people can react in a very negative way - but I think that shows how insecure material consciousness really is - somehow, they feel threatened by Krishna, they think that He wants to take away their pleasures and so on. But of course, all that is only relativistic, and what folks are afraid to 'loose' is only passing and temporary conditional 'pleasure'. With God, one can experience the true Divine Ananda or bliss.
But we can only go on trying in whatever small ways we can!

Haribol!

Love,

bbb.

 

The real preaching in not in your words, but in your vibrations, in your being, are you flowing with Krishna's love? are your serving your brothers and sisters? are you filled with the joy? are you filled with bliss and ecstasy?


Every moment you are a statement of your entire being. The real communication is in the vibes and in the acts that you do.

 

U can never know if your compromising is not a maya. Devotee should be fearless and tell the message of Bhagavadgita even to his enemy. Maybe you think people are not ready to hear about Krishna, but that can be only your fear to tell them. I don't think Prabhupada ever stopped preaching about Krishna. Whatever he said it was about Krishna and in relation to Krishna. The trick is to tell people from their perspective, you have to listen where they are, who they are and start preaching accordingly. Let's say you talk about vegetarianism, u can mention that we r not our bodies and every living being is a spirit soul. And the Supreme soul is Krishna. Always try to get to Krishna as soon as possible. People tend to confuse you with material duality, they make you explain things on dualistic platform, good-bad, me-universe. That leads nowhere. We cannot understand dual world, becuz we are eternal, we r not in duality. Duality is of our material body. We r trying to make oneness from dualistic material world. We want eternity from temporal world. Therefore try to explain things on absolute platform. Krishna. One. We r parts and parcels of Krishna.

Of course sometimes it's better to be silent and not waste energy on those whom only goal is to bring you back to maya. In fact we r giving compassion only if we can.

 

SvgGrdBeauty: I heard the conversation on recording, but I couldn't understand everything. What if you scaned it? That be great. I remember Prabhupada got a little bit angry. John was like a little boy. He seemed like totally hopeless hiding behind a mask. When you listen to the recording, Prabhupada starts singing in the begining and I think there's nobody else in a room, so you can feel what a blast it must've been. Intimidating, hahaha. I wish I could see their faces.

 

John and George, during the book so far, seam very confused...they're still getting over the fact that the Maharashi (sp?) turned out to be ingenuine...and you can tell that they are not fast to trust anyone right away...Yoko was very argumentive with Srila Prabhupada...she kept interupting him...

I could try and scan it...I don't think my friend is interested with how long I have it..as long as he gets it back because its his dad's...I tried to explain to him what it was about and urge him to read it... but it went in one ear and out the other...but I expected that from him.....even if he was interested....he'd never let me know...


GangaPrince...thank you for your post....I think that you are right....it seams that if we can not preach with our words...preach with our actions (isn't that a cliche? Actions speak louder than words)...and I think it pisses off less people (people always get funny when you talk about God)

 

Hare Krishna!

Dear Ganja Prince,

Thanks for that - it's very true that words are not enough, but here, we have to use words to communicate.An intellectual knowledge of God with no realization is not enough, but hearing about Krishna is the first step.
That's true where ordinary words are concerned - they are limited artifices, but in the case of the Maha-Mantra and other Vedic Mantras these are not ordinary words, but transcendental sound vibrations. Chanting Krishna's Names is the way to become filled with love for Him and for others and with the Divine Ananda.
But of course, it goes beyond words! We can show to others through our actions that we are sincere, and if we are filled with love and bliss, this will come through without need for talk.

Haribol!

 

Hare Krishna!

Dear Jiva,

There seems to be a contradiction in there!


Haribol!

 

in fact it is. that is our material world. contradiction. Two things. haha. therefore chant this :

 

Hare Krishna!


Here is a short quote from Sri Aurobindo I'd like to share with everyone

Sri Krishna and Radha.



Krishna with Radha is the symbol of the Divine Love. The flute is the call of the Divine Love.

Radha is the personification of the absolute love for the Divine, total and integral in all parts of the being from the highest spiritual to the physical, bringing the absolute self-giving and total consecration of all the being and calling down into the body and the most material nature the supreme Ananda.

...the image of Krishna and Radha. ..has nothing to do with sex. The true symbol for it would not be the human sex-attraction, but the soul, the psychic, hearing the call of the Divine and flowering into the complete love and surrender that brings the supreme Ananda. That is what Radha and Krishna by their divine union bring about in the human consciousness. ..

 

I also can share with You what I know about Lord Shiva in the form gopi. He wanted to join the rasa dance, but He was stopped, because Ha had a male body. He needed for this gopi body. He become very sad from this reason and started to meditate at the bank of Brahma-kunda crying.He wanted to become gopi, He stopped eating, sleeping, only was crying and crying. Finally srimati Vrinda-devi felt pity for him and she gave him her blessings and she said:
"Go to Mana-sarovara and take a bath there", he went there and took a bath. When he came out of water he found that his body had been transformed into gopi body- siva gopi- Gopisvara.
He was very happy and when in the night heard that Krishna was playing his flute under his Vamsi-vat tree he ran there as all other gopis did. When Krishna saw the new gopi was very pleased and was greeting her with sweet words: "O what a beautiful new gopi! Come to me! I will give You a name! After reflecting moment said: Your name will be Gopisvara"
Hearing this, Srimati Radhika, who was standing close by, became disturbed and said " What? krishna! How can You call her Gopisvara? That is my name! I am Gopisvara I am the most important gopi! But now You call her gopisvara?
Krishna tried to pacify Her, saying " Don't worry, this is very special gopi, but Radhika still felt disturbed.
After a short time of rasa dancing another difficulty appeared. Lord Shiva keeps a snake aroun his neck, his guru, whom he will never leave. and even with his gopi body he was carrying his guru in form of snake around his neck, what was very impractical for dancing.
Krishna after the first such experience of dancing with gopi with the snake aroud her neck said"Please come Gopisvara, I have a special service for You. You will go to the entrance of rasa dance. I will put You in charge of protecting it from all disturbances. This will be Your service. Make sure that no unqualified person enters."

So Gopisvara is protecting the rasa dance and according to the scriptures no one can enter the rasa dance without the blessing of Gopisvara, who is protector. All the great vaisnavas are praying to Gopisvara Mahadeva because without mercy of him no one can reach lotus feet in Vrindavan to enter this transcendental lila.

Yours servant
Ramapriya dd

 

Prabhupada: Anyway, this kind of literature... Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Caitanya Mahaprabhu used to read Gita-Govinda, Candidasa, amongst with His confidential devotees. The Gita-Govinda, the loving affairs of Radha and Krsna, it is not for the neophyte student. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu... You'll find Caitanya Mahaprabhu teaching... Generally, He was talking with Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya, He was talking with Prakasananda Sarasvati, He was talking with Ramananda Raya -- but the subject matter was not the same. When He was talking officially with the Prakasananda Sarasvati, Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya, there is no talk about Krsna's pastimes with Radharani. Simply on the basis of Vedanta He was talking. But when He was talking with Ramananda Raya, He talked about Krsna's pastimes with Radharani. So we should be very careful that from the very beginning... Just like the professional Bhagavata readers. The Bhagavata reading means describing rasa-lila. Whenever you find there is Bhagavata reading, they are describing. I have seen one big Gosvami. He was professional Bhagavata reader, and whenever... He would speak very nicely on rasa-lila, and after describing rasa-lila, Bhagavata reading, he would come for recreation and smoke cigarette. I have seen it.
So this kind of Bhagavata reading will not help you. Bhaktih paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra syat: [SB 11.2.42] "If you are actually advancing in devotional service, then the symptom will be that you'll have no more material hankerings." That is real. So if you actually hear about Krsna's pastimes with Radharani, then hrd-roga-kaman apahinoti, then our heart disease, lusty desires, will vanish. That is the result. I have repeatedly said. So if you become more lusty by seeing the pastimes of Krsna with Radharani or hearing, that means you are not fit. Stop it. Stop it. Don't be foolish. So in the spiritual platform, the everything are there, but they are different in quality. Just like iron is also metal and gold is also metal, but the quality is different; similarly, don't take that Krsna's loving affairs with Radharani is exactly like our loving affair with our girlfriend. No. It is not like that. One is gold, and one is iron. Don't minimize the value. Therefore Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami has described that it is ahladini-saktih. Radha-krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktih.

 

Thanks SleepingJiva, CheifCowPie, and BlackBillBlake! Some of that stuff I did know about Radhe and Krishna and some of it I didn't (like about Lord Siva becoming gopi)....I do love the stories of the gopis...they are just lovely...thank you for that absolutely lovely break from my homework. Hare Krishna!

 

I saw this on a quotes list:


"Look beyond the face and you will see Me." - Krishna to Sita in "The Last Vampire" by Christopher Pike

Has anyone ever heard of this book, or know what it may have to do with Krishna?

 

Hare Krishna!


Dear SGB,

My daughter used to be a major fan of Christopher Pike when she was in her early teens - I believe his books are 'stephen king for teens' if you see what I mean. I will be seing her over the next couple of days and I will ask her about this particular book.

Love,

BBB.

 

No luck - she did have it but can't remember it, and it's long gone


Hare Krishna!

 

Hey, thanks for trying anyway...

Stephan King for kids...doesn't sound too much my thing...Anne Rice is the closest I get to that stuff...but she's different...

...my new thing, after Autobiography of a Yogi (which is AMAZING), is some Shakespeare for English...I love Shakespeare

 

I feel great, I started playing in metro (subway) in montreal again and I chanted mantra for a while from full of my lungs, I started laughing in the middle of it, that powerful it was. I don't sing it for long just for about 5 minutes in a row as a part of one song, but I never forget and at least I do some sankirtana. I go play everyday. isn't it cool?