hare krishna

"Because our aim of life is to approach Lord Visnu. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum [SB 7.5.31]. The modern civilization, they do not know it, na te viduh, that what is the aim of life. The aim of life is to satisfy Lord Visnu. This the aim of life. Just like ordinarily, the common citizen, a good citizen, his duty is to abide by the laws of the state. That is called good citizen. And if you do not become a good citizen, then you are put into the prison house, good citizen and bad citizen. Similarly, the aim of human life is to approach Visnu. But the materialistic persons, they do not care for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but they manufacture their own plan with materialistic idea. Durasaya ye bahir-artha... Bahir-artha, the external necessity, that is called bahir-artha. The bahir-artha and anartha is the same thing. Because that is not necessity. We are born under certain laws of the nature. Now instead of trying to improve this... That cannot be improved, because the destiny is there. If you are to enjoy a certain type of happiness, it is there already with your birth. A particular type of body which you have obtained, that is already there. You don’t require to improve it. It will never be improved. So our main business is how to improve in spiritual life. That is required. Materially, but if you improve in spiritual life, then if you have got any desire for material improvement, that will be automatically served. You don’t require to try for it separately."

Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada... lecture (Vrindavana... 24.4.75)

 

haribol!

Well said. We don't need this. Our society produces daily many artificial needs. For example sex -that's not neccessity. You won't die if you do not have sex. The goal is to abandon everything, what makes you think that you are this material body. What are all material enjoyments compared to devotional service to Lord Krishna? They're all temporal and when they're gone, you miss them even more. So where's the enjoyment?

 

"But it has nothing to do with Krishna. Take it to another thread, it doesn't belong here. We are simply discussing Krishna -nothing else. Sex enjoyment as a spiritual path? hahaha. yeah, right. well, ok I respect your freedom of choice, but it has nothing to do with Krishna. If you post it here, you're misleading people into thinking that it has to do with Krishna. Please, take your garbage and get out!"
...............SleepingJiva

Dear SleepingJiva,

The time has come when somebody needs to tell you to shut up and restrain yourself.

You claim to have read Srila Prabhupada and the Gita. It has been a total wastage of time and energy for you. You have not read them at all. If you do not understand even a bit of it, do not ever say you have read them and do not give imposing ideas.

People like you have misled others more than anybody else, people like you have tarnished Srila Prabhupada and have put Him to shame. People like you have caused narrowness and divisions and ignorance more than anybody else.

Ignorant, disrespectful, insolent and audacious 'devotee'... without understanding and knowing anything you call Lord Shiva related matters as 'garbage' ! You ask others to get out! You do not have even the simple knowledge that you have called Lord Krishna as garbage!

Be careful! Be careful! Be careful!
One drop of tears because of this from any true devotee and you will be directly under His judgement and punishment! I know you do not believe this and your arrogance will drive you to 'lol' and 'hahaha', the only things that you have learnt so far. Still, this is the last request.

Listless and guideless, you can still accept Him as the greatest Guru and start everything afresh. Genuinely cry for Him once only, He shall produce the same "The Gita As It Is" in a totally different way and meaning than you think of it today.

With love and prayers..............Kumar.

 

Well, I'm not going to mock you and I never did. Once I told you I'm laughing but not at you, I was laughing, because I understood that this is not us. Our pure selves are always desiring to serve Krsna. I understand you may be offended, but I'm not compromising just in order to get false praise from you. It's very hard not to bring you own views when you're explaining Prabhupada's message and Prabhupada warns us almost on every pagre -don't add up things, bring it as it is.
I call garbage the sexual enjoyment as a spiritual path. and if you're advocating such a stupidity, you have nothing to do with Krishna. Just check out for ChiefCow Pie's post, can you see at least one mentioning of Krishna? I don't tolerate any distraction in this thread. Either you are interested in Krishna or not. But then you can set up another thread, don't spoil this one. You have never read any of Prabhupada's books, so how can you ever know who he was and what were his goals?
I've never called myself a devotee. I'm just bringing Prabhupada's message. It's possible that I'm not always quoting, but I've never seen you bringing anything related to Prabhupada, so how can you blame me? All devotion to demigods is still materialism. It is very clearly said in Bhagavadgita, who's the controler of all demigods -Krsna. So if Krsna is the Supreme master of all demigods, one, who serves Him, is satisfying demigods as well. Surrender to Krsna only that is Prabhupada's message and I'm sure of it. I can bring you evidence -it's not me, who say that.

 

Chapter 18. Conclusion--The Perfection of Renunciation

TEXT 66
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sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
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SYNONYMS
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sarva-dharman--all varieties of religion; parityajya--abandoning; mam--unto Me; ekam--only; saranam--surrender; vraja--go; aham--I; tvam--you; sarva--all; papebhyah--from sinful reactions; moksayisyami--deliver; ma--not; sucah--worry.

TRANSLATION
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Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

PURPORT
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The Lord has described various kinds of knowledge, processes of religion, knowledge of the Supreme Brahman, knowledge of the Supersoul, knowledge of the different types of orders and statuses of social life, knowledge of the renounced order of life, knowledge of nonattachment, sense and mind control, meditation, etc. He has described in so many ways different types of religion. Now, in summarizing Bhagavad-gita, the Lord says that Arjuna should give up all the processes that have been explained to him; he should simply surrender to Krsna. That surrender will save him from all kinds of sinful reactions, for the Lord personally promises to protect him.
In the Eighth Chapter it was said that only one who has become free from all sinful reactions can take to the worship of Lord Krsna. Thus one may think that unless he is free from all sinful reactions he cannot take to the surrendering process. To such doubts it is here said that even if one is not free from all sinful reactions, simply by the process of surrendering to Sri Krsna he is automatically freed. There is no need of strenuous effort to free oneself from sinful reactions. One should unhesitatingly accept Krsna as the supreme savior of all living entities. With faith and love, one should surrender unto Him.
According to the devotional process, one should simply accept such religious principles that will lead ultimately to the devotional service of the Lord. One may perform a particular occupational duty according to his position in the social order, but if by executing his duty one does not come to the point of Krsna consciousness, all his activities are in vain. Anything that does not lead to the perfectional stage of Krsna consciousness should be avoided. One should be confident that in all circumstances Krsna will protect him from all difficulties. There is no need of thinking how one should keep the body and soul together. Krsna will see to that. One should always think himself helpless and should consider Krsna the only basis for his progress in life. As soon as one seriously engages himself in devotional service to the Lord in full Krsna consciousness, at once he becomes freed from all contamination of material nature. There are different processes of religion and purificatory processes by cultivation of knowledge, meditation in the mystic yoga system, etc., but one who surrenders unto Krsna does not have to execute so many methods. That simple surrender unto Krsna will save him from unnecessarily wasting time. One can thus make all progress at once and be freed from all sinful reaction.
One should be attracted by the beautiful vision of Krsna. His name is Krsna because He is all-attractive. One who becomes attracted by the beautiful, all-powerful, omnipotent vision of Krsna is fortunate. There are different kinds of transcendentalists--some of them are attached to the impersonal Brahman vision, some of them are attracted by the Supersoul feature, etc., but one who is attracted to the personal feature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and, above all, one who is attracted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead as Krsna Himself, is the most perfect transcendentalist. In other words, devotional service to Krsna, in full consciousness, is the most confidential part of knowledge, and this is the essence of the whole Bhagavad-gita. Karma-yogis, empiric philosophers, mystics, and devotees are all called transcendentalists, but one who is a pure devotee is the best of all. The particular words used here, ma sucah, "Don't fear, don't hesitate, don't worry," are very significant. One may be perplexed as to how one can give up all kinds of religious forms and simply surrender unto Krsna, but such worry is useless.

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Chapter 14. The Three Modes Of Material Nature

TEXT 7
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rajo ragatmakam viddhi
trsna-sanga-samudbhavam
tan nibadhnati kaunteya
karma-sangena dehinam
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SYNONYMS
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rajah--the mode of passion; raga-atmakam--born of desire or lust; viddhi--know; trsna--with hankering; sanga--association; samudbhavam--produced of; tat--that; nibadhnati--binds; kaunteya--O son of Kunti; karma-sangena--by association with fruitive activity; dehinam--the embodied.

TRANSLATION
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The mode of passion is born of unlimited desires and longings, O son of Kunti, and because of this one is bound to material fruitive activities.

PURPORT
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The mode of passion is characterized by the attraction between man and woman. Woman has attraction for man, and man has attraction for woman. This is called the mode of passion. And, when the mode of passion is increased, one develops the hankering for material enjoyment. He wants to enjoy sense gratification. For sense gratification, a man in the mode of passion wants some honor in society, or in the nation, and he wants to have a happy family, with nice children, wife, and house. These are the products of the mode of passion. As long as one is hankering after these things, he has to work very hard. Therefore it is clearly stated here that he becomes associated with the fruits of his activities and thus becomes bound by such activities. In order to please his wife, children and society and to keep up his prestige, one has to work. Therefore, the whole material world is more or less in the mode of passion. Modern civilization is considered to be advanced in the standards of the mode of passion. Formerly, the advanced condition was considered to be in the mode of goodness. If there is no liberation for those in the mode of goodness, what of those who are entangled in the mode of passion?

 

Chapter 11. The Universal Form

TEXT 21
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ami hi tvam sura-sangha visanti
kecid bhitah pranjalayo grnanti
svastity uktva maharsi-siddha-sanghah
stuvanti tvam stutibhih puskalabhih
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SYNONYMS
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ami--all those; hi--certainly; tvam--unto You; sura-sanghah--groups of demigods; visanti--entering; kecit--some of them; bhitah--out of fear; pranjalayah--with folded hands; grnanti--offering prayers unto; svasti--all peace; iti--thus; uktva--speaking like that; maha-rsi--great sages; siddha-sanghah--perfect sages; stuvanti--singing hymns; tvam--unto You; stutibhih--with prayers; puskalabhih--Vedic hymns.

TRANSLATION
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All the demigods are surrendering and entering into You. They are very much afraid, and with folded hands they are singing the Vedic hymns.

PURPORT
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The demigods in all the planetary systems feared the terrific manifestation of the universal form and its glowing effulgence and so prayed for protection.

 

I don't think that ChiefCowPie was trying to divert this thread or anything... Kumar was just telling us about that particular guru that had visited him and ChiefCowPie was giving us some insight about where he was from or what have you...I don't think that he was telling us that any of the demi-Gods were better than Krsna...I don't really know...I didn't read the whole post...I just skimmed it...but I must say that I don't think that there is any harm in posting a picture of Lord Siva (and it was a very beautiful picture and the first I'd seen of Him...thank you...) actually I thought it was Krsna at first....but Siva is part of Vedic literature, in the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, Prabhupada uses an example about Lord Siva drinking a sea full of poison...no one ever said that you needed to worship the demi-Gods...I don't...but you can acknowledge their part to play in learning more about Krsna...

...I was going to ignore what you said before and hope that it would just kinda blow over...but it kinda didn't and I think that you probably just said that with out thinking...surely you wouldn't turn anyone away...I think I know you better than that...

 

Lord Shiva is considered the greatest Vaishnava...i see nothing about discussing his pastimes and glories as being a diversion

 

"Well, I'm not going to mock you and I never did. Once I told you I'm laughing but not at you, I was laughing, because I understood that this is not us. Our pure selves are always desiring to serve Krsna. I understand you may be offended, but I'm not compromising just in order to get false praise from you. It's very hard not to bring you own views when you're explaining Prabhupada's message and Prabhupada warns us almost on every pagre -don't add up things, bring it as it is.
I call garbage the sexual enjoyment as a spiritual path. and if you're advocating such a stupidity, you have nothing to do with Krishna. Just check out for ChiefCow Pie's post, can you see at least one mentioning of Krishna? I don't tolerate any distraction in this thread. Either you are interested in Krishna or not. But then you can set up another thread, don't spoil this one. You have never read any of Prabhupada's books, so how can you ever know who he was and what were his goals?
I've never called myself a devotee. I'm just bringing Prabhupada's message. It's possible that I'm not always quoting, but I've never seen you bringing anything related to Prabhupada, so how can you blame me? All devotion to demigods is still materialism. It is very clearly said in Bhagavadgita, who's the controler of all demigods -Krsna. So if Krsna is the Supreme master of all demigods, one, who serves Him, is satisfying demigods as well. Surrender to Krsna only that is Prabhupada's message and I'm sure of it. I can bring you evidence -it's not me, who say that."
......... SleepingJiva.



Dear brother SleepingJiva,



I am sorry, I lost my cool, I lost my mind's tranquility. This happens very rarely. Please forgive me.



As you have said, I have not read about Prabhupada and have not talked about Him. It is so true. But you fail to see Him in me. Yes, He is in my heart.

There is no mystery brother, you do not try to realize so many things. You do not realize that to touch the Thames you do not need to swim all over the Thames. You touch water of the Thames at any place, you can say you have touched the Thames.



I know only this much that Srila Prabhupada was one with that Ocean of Divinity and Consciousness. So, even if you get the spray of that Ocean you know that you know not only Srila Prabhupada but so many others like Him.



When you see the splash of water and the droplets you see Srila Prabhupada, Yogi Krishnaprem,Mira Bai, Rishi Arvinda,Dadaji Dilip Kumar Roy, Ma Indira Devi, George Harrison and so many others as separate individuals. When the splash comes down back into the Ocean all individualities are lost and you see only one Ocean of Consciousness.



Have you ever thought of counting how many waterfalls, streams,brooks and rivers come and mix with one sea or ocean ? Likewise endless spiritual paths come and meet the Ocean of Consciousness. It is simply meaningless to deny it.



Your problem is you can not think of anything outside The Gita and Srila Prabhupada. You can not believe that without knowing Srila Prabhupada it is possible to love Krishna. It is very natural that you would not believe that it is possible to love Krishna without reading a page from The Gita, without knowing anything about Srila Prabhupada or anybody else, without going to any temple and even without the initiation of a self-realized Guru. You would not believe that it is possible to love and see Krishna even without chanting the Maha Mantra. But God knows it is all true because there are not only one but several paths.


It is alright if you do not believe, you believe in Srila Prabhupada and the Gita and Sri Krishna, it is so good and enough. But where is the consequent fruit, where is the love for them, the main purpose of everything? Be tolerant and respectful about all other paths. And about Lord Shiva ? What should I tell you ? It is so unfortunate. I feel like crying. Instead of saying Demi-Gods, Demi-Gods and trying to differentiate please read The Gita again. Without knowing anything or understanding please do not say something for which you will be embarrased tomorrow.


Talking about my false praise ? First of all I do not qualify for doing true or false praise. Your insinuation is unfortunate. What you call false praise I call that love, genuine love. If you call my last post as my true anger, I call it love, yes genuine love for you.



With love and prayers.............Kumar.

 

Lord Shiva is a great Vaishnava, but also a great devotee of Lord Krishna. Please don't forget that.
gdkumar: I wasn't saying anything about other paths, or anything. that's what srila Prabhupada says and I believe him. My anger was directed to the sexual enjoyment as spiritual path, explain that! I don't understand your love. What is that?

 

"Those that are accepted by Him will gradually be purified, but we are very eager to point out faults in them. That is more dangerous for our own progress – suicidal. In my case, I want something higher, but in the case of others we can't tolerate the same behaviour of the Lord. That is a very difficult position. Generally that is the basis of vaisnava-aparadha. One has been accepted by the Lord, and is gradually purifying himself, yet we give much attention to the fault that is still left, the difficulties still left in him. These faults particularly come to our attention.

Then, the results is that those faults will be transferred to me. These are the realities of the experience in this line: That if I especially mark the fault of another devotee, that will be transferred to me. It happens; in our experience and also from the sastra we have seen this.

So, one must be very careful not to make any remark generally, about the practices and activities of another Vaisnava. Only in the Guru's case when he is empowered by the Supreme, he may correct his disciples. As the guardian, with a sympathetic eye, he can mark thedefects in his disciple and help him to remove them.

There must be some affectionate heart within, not jealousy or anything of that type, but with good will he wants to remove the defects from the affectionate student. That is the sum of siksa-guru, or diksa-guru. From that position one may detect the fault of the students of this line, and help them sincerely, to get out of that. Otherwise, if we are attracted by those faults, they will come to us, and we shall have to pay for them, as a practical thing. This is based on reason, and scriptural advices."

Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhara Maharaja

 

Who's Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhara Maharaja? I never heard of him.

 

He's a guru...I don't really know much about him...I am part of a LiveJournal community called Hari-Katha and it has all quotes by Srila Prabhupada and other gurus (as well as quotes from Krsna books...)...its really nice...

http://www.livejournal.com/community/hari_katha

 

Those that are accepted by Him will gradually be purified, but we are very eager to point out faults in them. That is more dangerous for our own progress – suicidal. In my case, I want something higher, but in the case of others we can't tolerate the same behaviour of the Lord. That is a very difficult position. Generally that is the basis of vaisnava-aparadha. One has been accepted by the Lord, and is gradually purifying himself, yet we give much attention to the fault that is still left, the difficulties still left in him. These faults particularly come to our attention.

Then, the results is that those faults will be transferred to me. These are the realities of the experience in this line: That if I especially mark the fault of another devotee, that will be transferred to me. It happens; in our experience and also from the sastra we have seen this.

So, one must be very careful not to make any remark generally, about the practices and activities of another Vaisnava. Only in the Guru's case when he is empowered by the Supreme, he may correct his disciples. As the guardian, with a sympathetic eye, he can mark thedefects in his disciple and help him to remove them.

There must be some affectionate heart within, not jealousy or anything of that type, but with good will he wants to remove the defects from the affectionate student. That is the sum of siksa-guru, or diksa-guru. From that position one may detect the fault of the students of this line, and help them sincerely, to get out of that. Otherwise, if we are attracted by those faults, they will come to us, and we shall have to pay for them, as a practical thing. This is based on reason, and scriptural advices."

Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhara Maharaja................................................................SvgGrdnBeauty.

Dear Nicole,

It could not be better to teach all of us. I am so much thankful to you. My beloved Lord did not tell me anything false about you. But alas! when I say all this it is called 'false praise'. I am asked to describe what my love is! How can one describe it?

It is all so painful for me. I am sorry for my outburst. I have hurt all of you. Please forgive me.

With love.............Kumar.

 

Dear ChiefCowPie,


I am sorry for my behaviour. I have hurt all of you. Please forgive me.

Please do not take anything to heart. You are at a very very high level of knowledge, understanding and tolerance. It is our lacking in everything that we misunderstand you.

I am sorry again.

With love..........Kumar.

 

Oh my goodness...I don't want you to think I targeted you out...that wasn't even my intent in posting that...I saw it and I thought it was worth of putting on here because being human we all do things like that...Hell, I did it myself today, you know, judge people with a fine tooth comb...and then I read that and I said to myself, "silly girl...not good your attitude towards your friend...", and I thought I'd share it because I thought it was very good advice...

...and of course we would forgive you...everyone gets mad sometimes, if we didn't we wouldn't be human...but what I love about this thread is that no matter how mad we could get to each other in the heat of some sort of disagreement...in the end we end up having more love and respect for each other...

 

Please, respect Krishna first. That is the only way how to find understanding.

 

this is why I believe in Prabhupada more than in anybody:


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Bhavananda: People are attracted by the Westerners coming to the matha. So if we're up at that matha, any of us, and then they say, "Just see." They say in Bengali, "Just see. They are coming. To see our guru maharaja, they are coming."


Prabhupada: THAT WAS THE POLICY OF MADHAVA MAHARAJA AND SRIDHARA MAHARAJA, THAT "ALTHOUGH BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI IS PROPAGATING THROUGHOUT, HE IS SUBORDINATE TO US, UNDER OUR INSTRUCTION." SO ALL THESE THREE..

Viraha Astaka 1958

2) Your so-called disciple, the jackal named Ananta Vasudeva, disobeyed your final instructions to keep the mission united, and thereby created a scandalous fiasco.

The result of this philosophical deviation is evident to this day as imitative sahajiyas are being worshiped as gurus in your temples.

3) Is there a single temple to be found where your instructions are still being followed? As it is said: "punar musiko bhava"- Everyone has "again become a mouse."

4) The lion's food has been stolen away by the deceptive tricks of the jackal Now caught in Maya's mighty clutches everyone is reduced to wailing and weeping.

760203mw.may Conversations
Prabhupada: At least historically it be proved. (break) ...cause of envy of my Godbrothers. I was known. Although they knew that Prabhupada liked me very much, because I am grhastha, I was known as paca-grhastha. PACA-GRHASTHA MEANS A ROTTEN GRHASTHA. And now they say, "This grhastha has come out more than us? What is this?" (break) Sridhara Maharaja's chief disciple...?

Bhavananda: Gaura.

Prabhupada: HE ALWAYS USED TO SAY TO SRIDHARA MAHARAJA THAT "YOU ARE SEEING ABHAY BABU AS GRHASTHA, BUT HE IS MORE THAN MANY YOGIS." HE WAS TELLING.

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Prabhupada: He cannot make any comment. These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use guru as their instrument for self-aggrandizement, and another party left guru. So both of them are offenders. This Kunja Babu, this Tirtha Maharaja's party, he wanted to enjoy senses through guru. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left.

Tamala Krsna: Vasudeva.

Prabhupada: So both of them are severe offenders.

Tamala Krsna: What about Sridhara Maharaja?

Prabhupada: SRIDHARA MAHARAJA BELONGED TO THE BAGH BAZAAR PARTY. And I was living aloof. My Guru Maharaja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them."

Tamala Krsna: He could understand that his disciples were not...

Prabhupada: No, he was very sorry. AT THE LAST STAGE HE WAS DISGUSTED.

72-08-26. Letter: Gaurasundara
All along I HAVE BEEN DISCOURAGED IN EVERY WAY BY MY GODBROTHERS, but still I have stuck to my duty, keeping my Spiritual Master always in front.

72-09-09. Letter: Krsna dasa
MY GODBROTHERS ALWAYS DISCOURAGED ME BUT I DID NOT GIVE UP, I am doing my duty and always keeping my spiritual master in front. Even there is some difficulty or hardship, or even my godbrothers may not cooperate or there may be fighting, still, I must perform my duty to my spiritual master and not become discouraged and go away, that is my weakness.

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Prabhupada: Daily night. And he was shocked. ONE OF MY GAUDIYA MATHA GODBROTHERS, BIG, HE BECAME THE HEAD OF THIS BHAG BAZAAR GAUDIYA MATHA. So his wife was debauched, and she was bringing new paramour, and the child protested.

Pusta Krsna: New?

Prabhupada: Paramour. And the boy, he was ten years or twelve years old, he could understand: "Who is this man?" So he protested and said, "I shall tell all these things to my father." And he was killed.

Pusta Krsna: The boy was killed?

Prabhupada: By the mother.

Hari-sauri: She murdered him?

Prabhupada: Yes. Killed means given poison. And the father, that is, my Godbrother, seeing this, he also took poison. This is the end of Gaudiya Matha scandal. He was also one of the trustees. This Tirtha Maharaja was a trustee, and another Godbrother and this man. In the beginning, they were made trustees. In the beginning, Prabhupada was to undergo surgical operation. So he was a little nervous, that "I may die." So he made a scrap paper, that "In case I die, these three disciples will be trustees of the Gaudiya Matha Institute." That's all. So this Kunja Babu kept this. There are many long histories. SO ONE OF THE SO-CALLED TRUSTEES WAS THIS VASUDEVA. So he died, his end was like this.

Pusta Krsna: His son was killed, isn't it?

Prabhupada: His wife was a regular prostitute, and she killed her child, and on this shock, he took poison and died.

Pusta Krsna: He killed himself, oh.

Prabhupada: Naturally, he became shocked, that "This is my family life--the wife is prostitute and son is killed. What is the value of my life?" This was his spiritual realization. Just see. (laughs) AND HE WAS MADE THE CHIEF, AND ONE OF THE SUPPORTER WAS SRIDHARA MAHARAJA.

Pusta Krsna: Vasudeva Sridhara?

Prabhupada: No, no. He was made chief. Guru Maharaja did not make him chief. But after his passing away, some of our Godbrothers voted him chief.

Pusta Krsna: Am I mis...? You had told me once, I'm not certain. Maybe I made a mistake. YOU SAID THAT VASUDEVA, IT WAS KNOWN FACT THAT HE WAS HOMOSEX?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusta Krsna: Vasudeva.

Prabhupada: HE WAS HOMOSEX AND SEX, EVERYTHING.

68-02-17. Letter: Pradyumna
REGARDING THE BOOK LIST: "LORD GAURANGA" BY S.K. GHOSE AND VEDER PANCHAYA BY BON MAHARAJA ARE USELESS AND YOU MAY NOT GET THEM. The other books and the Gaudiya paper are acceptable. If you have free use of Xerox machine you may make copies, of some of the smaller works. REGARDING BHAKTI PURI, TIRTHA MAHARAJA, THEY ARE MY GOD-BROTHERS AND SHOULD BE SHOWN RESPECT. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY INTIMATE CONNECTION WITH THEM AS THEY HAVE GONE AGAINST THE ORDERS OF MY GURU MAHARAJA.

72-11-21. Letter: Niranjana
If you are serious to be an important assistant in our Society you should fully engage yourself in translation work, AND DO NOT MIX YOURSELF WITH MY SO-CALLED GOD-BROTHERS. AS THERE ARE IN VRINDABAN SOME RESIDENTS LIKE MONKEYS AND HOGS, SIMILARLY THERE ARE MANY RASCALS IN THE NAME OF VAISNAVAS, be careful of them. And do not dare to question imprudently before your Spiritual Master. Further talks we may discuss when we meet.

 

730921r2.bom Conversations
Prabhupada: Yes. If by the dress of sannyasi, you take some money and eat and sleep, then it is transcendental fraud. (SP laughs) (Hindi) Just like others are toiling, and we are getting money by some dress. That's all. They are getting money by laboring hard, and we are getting money... In India, mostly the sannyasis, they do that. The priests also, they do that. This is our profession, just... My Guru Maharaja said that thakura dekhiye paya rasta karache, rastaye 'yandiya jivika badram karam bhari (?). Instead of earning livelihood by showing the Deity in the temple, it is better to take the profession of a sweeper in the street and live honestly. He said like that. The sweeper is working hard toiling and getting some money and living. This is honest living. But just like in Vrndavana, all the Goswamis. They have got their Deity. People are coming, contributing. Typical example, Gauracanda Goswami. Thakura dekhiye paisa rasta. (?) All the sevaites, they are meant for... Our Kunja Babu also planned like that. He thought, "By cheating all the God-brothers, I have got now Caitanya Matha. And people will come to see Caitanya Mahaprabhu's birthplace, and I will get good income. And it will be distributed amongst my brothers and sons and myself. That's all." That is his scheme.

Tamala Krsna: Perfect material plan.

Prabhupada: Yes. It is another way of earning money. And he was always after Guru Maharaja only for this purpose. Guru Maharaja took that "Oh, this man is helping me." But he had no such plan, to help Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. He had the plan, "Keep Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati in front, earn money, and put it in my pocket." That was his very beginning. He was taking money like anything. But he was a good manager. Other God-brothers complained, sannyasis. Guru Maharaja used to say that "Why you are complaining? You cannot reform him, your God-brother? And if I would have to keep expert manager like him, I would have to pay something. Suppose he is taking something, why do you grudge?" (Prabhupada laughing) He would say like that. So nobody could say anything. But after the demise, everything burst out. "Kunja Babu must be driven out." That was the whole plan of Gaudiya Matha breakdown. The grudge was against Kunja Babu.

Tamala Krsna: Who is Kunja Babu?

Prabhupada: That Tirtha Maharaja. His name is Kunja Vihari Sar. So that was boiling in everyone's heart. So as soon as Guru Maharaja passed away, so that burst out. And the whole plan was how to get out this Kunja Babu.

Tamala Krsna: Not how to preach.

Prabhupada: No. This was the cause of breakdown. This was suppressed by Guru Maharaja under his influence, but the rebellious was there during his lifetime. And it burst into... Therefore he advised that "You make a governing body and Kunja Babu should be allowed to remain manager." This was directly spoken. He never asked anybody to become acarya. He asked that "You form a governing body of twelve men and go on preaching, and Kunja Babu may be allowed to remain manager during his lifetime." HE NEVER SAID THAT KUNJA BABU SHOULD BE ACARYA. NONE, NONE OF THEM WERE ADVISED BY GURU MAHARAJA TO BECOME ACARYA. HIS IDEA WAS "LET THEM MANAGE; THEN WHOEVER WILL BE ACTUAL QUALIFIED FOR BECOMING ACARYA, THEY WILL ELECT. WHY I SHOULD ENFORCE UPON THEM?" THAT WAS HIS PLAN. "LET THEM MANAGE BY STRONG GOVERNING BODY, AS IT IS GOING ON. THEN ACARYA WILL COME BY HIS QUALIFICATIONS." But they wanted that... Because at heart, they were, "After demise of Guru, I shall become acarya." "I shall become acarya." So all the acaryas began fight. One side, that Vasudeva Acarya and Sar Kunja Babu Acarya. And Paramananda, he thought that "Whoever will be powerful, I shall join them." (laughing) He only thought. But Guru Maharaja never asked that these three men should be trustees. He wanted governing body. So the rebellion broke out immediately after his passing away. And then fight in the High Court. And Kunja Babu, he is very intelligent man. So from the very beginning he knew that "There will be fight after the demise of Guru Maharaja. So fight will be in the High Court. So at the expense of Guru Maharaja, let my brother and sons become attorneys and barrister so I will have not to pay all these things." It was a planned thing. And that is being done. He was a clerk, it was not in his power to make his brother and sons attorneys and barristers. They were all made at the cost of Gaudiya Matha to fight with (indistinct) in favor of Tirtha Maharaja. These were the planned things. But I was a rotten grhastha. I did not join any one of them. (Prabhupada laughs) I was rotting in my household life. That's all. But I was planning how to make, how to make this. That was my desire from the very beginning, since I heard it. But I was never with them, either this party or that party. And Guru Maharaja also recommended, apnader tasturi tublia thaki bhavan. Takhona (?). "When there will be need, he will do himself. There is no need of living with you. It is better to live apart from you." When I was recommended by Goswami Maharaja to live in the Matha, that "He is so nice." Sometimes he recommended. In Bombay, here in this Bombay. That house. Yes. He (Guru Maharaja) said "Yes, he is very expert. He can do. So it is better to live apart from you. And he will do everything when there is need." He said. I could not understand. Although I was apart from them, a grhastha. In this Bombay I was doing business. (people talking outside)

72-08-29.Gur Letter: Gurudasa
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated August 23, 1972, and I have noted the contents carefully. Do not be depressed. ALL ALONG MY GODBROTHERS GAVE ME ONLY DEPRESSION, REPRESSION, COMPRESSION--BUT I CONTINUED STRONG IN MY DUTY.

EVOL.SYA The Evolutionists: Philosophy
Prabhupada: UNLESS YOU SURRENDER, WHERE IS THE COOPERATION? Where is the cooperation? Just like all my disciples, because they have surrendered, so there is cooperation. Therefore this movement is increasing.

65-11-08.Tir Letter: Tirtha Maharaja
Kindly accept respectful obeisances at your lotus feet. Since I have come to the United States of America I had several correspondence with Sripada Govinda Maharaja. While I was in Calcutta at that time as well as in our different exchange of letters there was some hint from Sripada Govinda Maharaja, I should work in cooperation with your holiness and in my last letter I have already expressed my readiness to cooperate with your holiness and I had to ask from Govinda Maharaja as to the basic principle of that cooperation. BEFORE I TOOK SANNYASA PERHAPS YOU WILL REMEMBER IT THAT I PROPOSED TO JOIN YOU IF MY PUBLICATIONS WERE TAKEN UP. BUT SOME HOW OR OTHER IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE AND WE MISSED THE CHANCE