hare krishna

My Dear Devotees,
I humbly Beg
All of You,
Please!
Do Not Commit
Vaishnava Aparadha.

[size=-1](Shri Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu)[/size]

 

"I'm sure I'm off on this...or something...but maybe he forgave them....gave them another chance or something...he seems like an incredably forgiving person...

...if I'm totally off or missed the point...just ignore me...."

.....SvgGrdnBeauty.

Dear SvgGrdnBeauty,

I did not pray but Lord Krishna took care of you. It could not be better.
My dear blessed soul, I believe ChiefCowPie when he says it is Krishna who typed for you.

You are Lord Jesus's dear child, I do not have slightest doubt about it.
Keep it up dear, as you desire so you get. Sincerely love all,all will love you. That is what Krishna is all about.

With lots of love and prayers............Kumar.

 

Dear Sleeping Jiva,

Now you know everything. Please calm down and be happy.

With love.........Kumar.

 

Dear YogaLady,

It is all beautiful now, please resume your beautiful pieces of devotional talks.

With love........Kumar.

 

Dear gdkumar,

With much love, please understand when maya is presented as Krishna, to go along with it is not peace. Now please to understand Prabhupada's message is not the same as the one chief cowpie is obsessed with creating the fight about.

YL

 

Chief cowpie,

I've come to the conclusoin you dont care a whoop for Srila Prabhupada. You only care for undoing his mission, and promoting the Gaudiya Math mission. Which again I wouldn't care about, but that you keep posing on his thread this fight that has gone on since the 1950s as if its our fault we are having this argument when in truth it went all the way back to his godbrothers in the 50s, that you dont care about any of this and enjoy posting links contrary to his message, is selfish. But to say the war is over all the time, who says this? The Gaudiya Math. Its not the Prabhupada wants a war, but he won't pretend they are teaching according to their (same) spiriutal master when the turth is, they are not. So the war isn't just my opinion your opinion, or my opinion vs kumaras opinion, or someone else opion vs another someone elses, its about accepting and then surrendering to a bona fide guru first, which means he knows the absolute truth and us conditioned souls do not. The war started from the Gaudiya Math, not Prabhupada. The fact that he won't water down his philosophy to put an end to the war, is not to be blamed on him, instead he should be admired for his strength. Why don't you start your own thread? What is this obsession with putting countless links on a thread meant for Prabhupada? You must be getting some payback for this. What harm in starting your own thread called "Gaudya Math" or something like that? Do you enjoy the attention of creating trouble to Prabhupada's movement, which is what we WERE trying to focus on here, until you came in with all the politics that date back to the 1950s and have nothing to do with Prabhupada's pure movement he started in American in the late 1960s. Why not leave us alone and stop harassing those who want to follow Prabhupada? There has to be some great pleasure you get from it. The war is not over cuz you say it is, the war is not over cuz the Gaudiya Math says its over, why? Cuz THEY started the war, not Prabhuapda. To keep saying the war is over reminds me of the abuser who brings roses to make up and apologize until next time he wants to abuse. They say its over, but they won't start following the instructions of their guru, they wont get along with Srila Prabhupada. Many of their sites use all these clever psychological put downs of Prabhuapada that the untrained eye would not pick on up. The war is over? Then why they do this? But hey, keep getting your yah yahs by ruining this thread of peace and posting the very thing you KNOW upsets us AND making it sound like we are the bad guys. Oh what clever webs you weave.

YL

 

Dear ChiefCowPie,

What should I say? Dear Baul, I love you. The whole universe is yours. I understand your prem, pain and the urge in you to unite everybody so that no body ever commits Vaishnava aparadha.

Wish you all the best.

With love........Kumar.

 

chief cowpie:How can there be peace, when animal slaughtering is going on? hahahahah.

gdkumar: not to fight when Lord Krishna's name is slendered, means cowardice. If we allow maya be spred, our mind will be naturally disturbed. And with disturbed mind, how can there me happiness?

 

Thank you. Yes, exactly. This fight over constantly brining up Prabhupada's godbrothers is an attempt to ruin everything you started. And chief cowpie may look like he knows something, and he does, 'something.' A "little" knowledge can be a dangerous thing. What he knows is so limited, that he doesn't even know what he DOESNT know. I've looked at some of his posts all over this forum, and they are all over, and he is not a deovtee of Krishna. He does not give Vaisnava replies in his other posts. He's maybe a jack of all trades but master of none. Though he just is haivng fun here and talks not about Krishna anywhere else, and especially not about the rules to be in connection to Krishna becaus he hates rules. Just check out his posts and he does not understand the difference between mundane rules and spiriutally freeing rules, so he is enjoying upsetting us. A hippie who likes to upset. Go figure.

Be nice for a change if he's let us go, start his own thread, and let us just talk in peace here about Prabhupada's and Krishna.

But he won't. You know he won't. And there's nothing we can do about it cuz the moderator of free speech sites I guess its ok they let people pick on other peoples religion in the name of freedom. I undrestand it, yet from reading other posts by chief cowpie, I can see his actions here are not innocent, and that he's not a devotee of Krishna or of anyone. I wish he would leave us alone. He's a bully, disrespecting our spiriutal path. I wouldn't do that to him. He's mean, he's self absorbed, I know he's reading these words, and oddly, I know he's enjoying them. He just wants to take over at any cost.

 

Dear Kumar,

I think you are sincere, and I think you are into some form of impersonalism. Its not all one. Those are NOT Prabhuapda's teacihngs. If you want to unite all, thats different. There can be unity, but not by fighting the words of the pure devotee. Why are we the bad guys here? It was our thread, then teachings that are outrihgt opposite of ours, were presented. THAT started the war, not us. We merely defending our religion. A Vaisnava is one who believes Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, not all this wishy washy stuff. So you say the effort is there to unite all Vaisnava's, but what anyone whose read Prabhupada's books throughly will immediately see is the exact opposite is whats going on. I dont go to Christian threads and say become Jewish, I do go to Shivite links and say become Vaisnava's. So to try to change our religion and create this illusion that its the same as the Gaudiya Math is something any follower of Prabhuapda isn't going to accept. Ever. Why not respect our guru? Our religion? The way it is, not the way others want to twist it and turn it into? Again, I have no problem with other paths, but not to try to say ours is something else. How mean that is! Not loving.

 

WAS is the key word here. MANY use to be dedicated to Prabhupada and have changed camps or gurus. They no longer represent his clear philosophy. I long ago read that article, but I dont have the energy to keep showing, and I CAN SHOW, where they have twisted so many things! But you seem to have all day behind the computer to try to undermind OUR beliefs.

Oh yeah, thats what your about, "Healing." As if Prabhuapda needed healing. As if Prabhupada was wrong, he should not have gotten "angry" at his godbrothers, and he needs fixing too. His words, he changed his mind. I've heard them all. Yet from HIS OWN MOUTH, he has not said these things. The best the Gaudiya Math can do is give partial quotes of his that are unexplained, to make themselves look good. You want to do some healing? Tell the Gaudiya Math to finally start to follow the instrutions of THEIR guru, Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja, because the war, the fight, is not really beween them and Prabhupada, but the result of them not following their spiriutal master. Simply Prabhupada is the only one who had the guts to point it out, and no one likes a whistle blower.

so tell us chief cowpie, when did you surrdner to a guru? Are you an initiated disciple, of anyone? LOL You know so much, yet so little. Really you dont want to, you just want to jerk us around. I'm calling a spade a spade, peace my eye, you're trying very hard to agitate our minds and our hearts and our religious beliefs. You're just the flip side of fundamentalists.

YL

 

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Nityananda Mahaprabhu, where are you ?
Oh Lord Krishna, Oh Lord Jesus, where are you ?

Jagai-Madhai,the dacoit brothers hit Nityananda with a piece of broken jar,cut His fore head. Chaitanya dev was furious and wanted to punish them but Nityananda mahaprabhu(Bleeding) told him, "Should not we love them just because they hit me with that piece of broken jar ? Oh Prabhu please calm down." The dacoits were forgiven by Mahaprabhu.


Oh dear brothers and sisters, please try to visualize the scene of crucification of my beloved Lord Jesus.Can you feel the torture and pain of that crucification? Remember what He had said even after that excruciation ? He had prayed for forgiving all of them.

But we can not do the same even for trifle matters. Why ? Let us stop chanting because it is not yielding any result. Or we are chanting just for the sake it, without any love in the mahamantra, any understanding.

For the sake of our God's pleasure let us, the children, stop this unhealthy squabble.

With love and prayers.............Kumar.

 

Dear Kumar,

You may think your "unity" mood is one of love and resolving a problem, and the fight is childish, but none of the above is true. Do you really think a pure devotee has childish fights? This started long ago, before any of us were born! Why? Not for some childish reason, but due to not following the orders of their spiriutal master Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja. So we, the dedicated followers of Prabhupada, aren't going to 'surrender' to any hode-pode or watering down of his teachings for the sake of getting along. I will, however, leave, give you all the peace you want, because I cannot stay on forums that do not respect the repeated requests of the devout followers of Prabhuapda not to twist his teachings. I'm not leaving yet, but if chief cowpie wants to take over, he can, and if there is going to be this "lets all get along even if it means man changes Gods religion" philopshy here, then there's no sense in my coming here.

You bring up Jesus. When it comes to Christ, he was crucified for what he believed and did not water it down to please the many chief cowpies that constantly debated him. Even the Prince of Peace became a spiritual warrior when it was required.

Peace at all cost can be very expensive. It can be interpreted as "Please walk all over me and I will give in for the sake of peace." It can mean there can be a war in Viet Nam or Iraq because we want to keep peace toward our own president, it can mean a lot of crap can go on in the name of peace. There is real peace, then there is selfish peace. I love peace too, but for it to be lasting, we can't twist Prabhupada's words. Funny how they make all these claims he wanted the war to stop, yet he never bothered to tell us that. He went to the Gaudiya Math and told them that, but not his own disciples? Not his very own movement? Give me a break. To clarify though, sure he didn't WANT war, but THEY are the ones who have to stop, not him, not us. They, the Gaudiya Math, must stop changing things and start following what Srila Bhaktisiddhanta taught.

 

I don't really want to get into this, but seems I am not being believed. And why should anyone believe me? So I will put some things by Prabhupada. Yet, I knew he too would prefer readers to read nectar, but chief cowpie thinks he knows more than the pure deovtee and keeps hounding this topic, so kindly forgive me if I post Prabhupada viewpoint as he does Gaudiya Maths.

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[Our Srila Prabhupada use to call his guru, Srila Prabhupada. You will see that below. This poem is to Bhaktisiddhanta, our guru's "Srila Prabhupada."]

VIRAHA-ASTAKA

Eight Prayers in Separation From My Spiritual Master,
composed in December 1958 by His Divine Grace Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

(Printed in the Gaudiya Patrika magazine by his godbrother Kesava Maharaja in February 1959 for Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur's Disappearance Day.)

Prathama Astaka (First Octet)

1.1 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this anniversary of your
separation I am utterly despondent.

1.2 "The ocean of mercy was previously held back by a dam, but Lord Nityananda personally cut a channel in it and thereby released the outpouring flood of pure ecstatic love of God." (from Locana Dasa's song "Nitai guna-mani")

1.3 Those devotees to whom the responsibility was given to continue spreading this flood of love somehow became overpowered by Maya and were thus reduced to simply performing ritualistic Hindu ceremonies for the benefit of materialists.

1.4 Lord Nityananda's inundation of prema was thus completely
stopped by those known as "jati-gosai" (caste gosvamis). But then
you personally came, O Master, to open wide the floodgates once
again.

1.5 Again you engulfed everyone in the deluge of pure divine love –
even such a low, wretched, fallen, and sinful soul as myself.

1.6 On the strength of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's command, you sent out all of your servants as spiritual masters, going from door to
door, just to deliver the fallen souls.

1.7 The devotees were enthusiastically preaching everywhere – from
the oceans to the Himalaya mountains. But now that you have gone
from our midst, everything today has become very dark.

1.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

Dvitiya Astaka (Second Octet)

2.1 Just as Advaita Prabhu had prayed fervently and thus induced
Sri Gauranga to descend, so did your father, Bhaktivinoda Thakura,
pray for you to incarnate.

2.2 Due to Bhaktivinoda's eagerness, O Master, you came and
proclaimed to everyone that India is the most holy land of the
Lord's divine pastimes.

2.3 "One who has taken his birth in this land of Bharata-bhumi
[India] should first make his own life successful and then work for
the benefit of all other people." (Cc Adi 9.41)

2.4 This is the most significant message of Lord Caitanya that you
boldly preached everywhere. But now in your absence, O Master,
everything has fallen into darkness.

2.5 The overflowing ocean of your compassion has once again been
dammed up. This makes me feel as if a spear of great misery has
indeed pierced my heart.

2.6 Without Caitanya Mahaprabhu's message being spread, there is
only confusion and upheaval in the movement. Seeing this situation, all the Vaisnavas are also feeling overwhelmed with the pangs of
your separation.

2.7 The spirit souls have once again been captured by Maya and
plunged into absolute darkness. Desperately searching for relief,
they are simply perishing in a fathomless ocean of anxiety.

2.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

Trtiya Astaka (Third Octet)

3.1 You instructed everyone you met to chant the holy name of Lord
Krsna. You showed the example by continually reciting that maha-
mantra into their ears.

3.2 You empowered everyone with the qualification to further
distribute that holy name. But now, by the influence of Maya, there
is only darkness on all sides.

3.3 The souls who are truly attached to worshiping the Lord always
sing and dance in joyful sankirtana. Following in the footsteps of
their spiritual master, they deliver the whole world.

3.4 But those who have no such qualification perform nirjana
bhajana, or so-called confidential worship in a solitary place. Thus
acting whimsically, all of them actually remain absorbed in personal
sense gratification.

3.5 "An ordinary soul should never imitate the activities of the
Supreme Lord, even in his mind." (SB 10.33.30) According to these
instructions in devotional service, the unqualified imitators are
all ruined.

3.6 You preached "utility is the principle" – that is, one should
act without attachment and use anything that is deemed appropriate
in the devotional service of the Lord.

3.7 In such detached devotional service to Lord Krsna, there would
be a temple established in every house. But now just the opposite situation is apparent everywhere.

3.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

Caturtha Astaka (Fourth Octet)

4.1 Everything regarding material prosperity as well as mystic
perfection is fully present in your transcendental message: "Because the residents of Vraja have life, therefore they engage in preaching work." (Dusta Mana, verse 18)

4.2 The "resolute intelligence" (vyavasayatmika buddhi) explained
by Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti [in his commentary to Bhagavad-gita
2.41] is now spoiled since your disciples have become ensnared in
the bewildering noose of Maya.

4.3 Those disciples who were irresolute in performing devotional
service according to your instructions have divided your mission into many factions. It appears that the tigress of ambition for material name and fame has appeared and personally provoked this upheaval.

4.4 The essential purport of your message obviously did not enter
their ears. O where will I get the strength to perform this hari-
nama-sankirtana?

4.5 To chant the holy name of the Lord is the explicit command of
my worshipful spiritual master. I could never honestly neglect that
order.

4.6 Your greatest acclaim is that you propagated the topmost
religious culture. Anyone who accepts the holy name from you becomes spiritually qualified.

4.7 If all those who have attained this qualification were to go
out and make disciples, then the miserable conditioned souls would
all be delivered from the world of birth and death.

4.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

[continued................]

 

[continued.................]


Pancama Astaka (Fifth Octet)

5.1 The greatest mantra of all, consisting of thirty-two letters,
is: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare.
People who are possessed by gross foolishness refuse to chant it.

5.2 Your so-called disciple, the jackal named Ananta Vasudeva,disobeyed your final instructions to keep the mission united, and thereby created a scandalous fiasco. The result of this philosophical deviation is evident to this day as imitative
sahajiyas are being worshiped as gurus in your temples.

5.3 Is there a single temple to be found where your instructions
are still being followed? As it is said: "punar musiko bhava" –
Everyone has "again become a mouse."

5.4 The lion's food has been stolen away by the deceptive tricks of
the jackal. Now caught in Maya's mighty clutches, everyone is
reduced to wailing and weeping.

5.5 O Master! If you are merciful to us once again, then even
though we are trapped here on the shore of the ocean of death, we
will finally behold a change for the better.

5.6 Then once again we can blissfully remember the holy name of
Krsna, and once again we will have firm faith in your "Vaikuntha
messages."

5.7 Once again you will make us dance in the pure holy name of
Krsna. Thus you will personally dispel all this confusion caused by
Maya.

5.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

Sastha Astaka (Sixth Octet)

6.1 "Continue dancing, singing and performing sankirtana in the
association of devotees." (Cc Adi 7.92) These words spoken by Sri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu are especially nectarine.

6.2 If we have complete faith in these instructions given by you,
our spiritual master, then in the performance of sankirtana actual
love for Krsna will be aroused in us.

6.3 Without love of God, our tiny individual intelligence only
becomes entangled in the network of Maya's delusions. Because no one actually attained prema, now there has been great upheaval in your mission.

6.4 The whole world has become filled with impersonalists, and the
Vaisnavas have given up the work of preaching that was entrusted to them and have simply gone off to perform solitary worship.

6.5 The Vaisnavas were famous as "patita pavana" (deliverers of the
fallen), but now this title has fallen into disgrace. Countless
numbers of your disciples have been forced to leave your movement.

6.6 At such an inauspicious time, O Master, what can be done to
repair the damage that is done? The beautiful garden that you had so carefully planted is now parched and withered away.

6.7 O Master, please awaken some good intelligence in this
insignificant disciple of yours so that my firm faith in your
transcendental message may increase more and more.

6.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

Saptama Astaka (Seventh Octet)

7.1 The most magnanimous incarnation of the Lord was Sri Krsna
Caitanya. Distributing the process of attaining love of God by
chanting the holy name of Krsna, He thus blessed the entire universe.

7.2 O Master, you are the personification of the transcendental
message of Lord Caitanya. You are the distributor of the message to
every town and village of the world.

7.3 You sent your devotees to preach in the faraway lands of the
Western Countries, and you personally traveled all over India, even
to the South.

7.4 You preached the pure philosophy of Lord Gauranga in such a way that intelligent persons could understand. And you showed such great concern, O Master, in convincing all your adversaries!

7.5 Lord Gauranga used many tricks just to engage the conditioned
souls in devotional service, and you have also understood how to use all those tricks perfectly well.

7.6 You understood time, place, and circumstance, and utilized
everything as a strategy for preaching. Although observing your
activities with their very eyes, those who are blind like owls and
other creatures of the night could not see your true purpose.

7.7 What will the Auls and the Sahajiiyas and the other nonsense
groups ever understand? And what will the sheep-like common people or the dry logicians ever understand?

7.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

Astama Astaka (Eighth Octet)

8.1 Lord Caitanya's method of devotional service is not performed
in solitude. You preached this again and again to your own devotees.

8.2 Just as the Lord delivered Jagai and Madhai out of His own
causeless mercy, you explained to everyone that this same method of preaching work has to go on.

8.3 The world has now filled up with many Jagais and Madhais to
deliver. Everyone is anxiously looking down the road waiting for
Caitanya-Nitai to come to their rescue.

8.4 If, at such a time as this, you were to personally return to
this world and once more preach about all these things the way you
always used to--

8.5 If there were enthusiastic preaching activities again taking
place in every direction, then all the people as before would be
stirred up in blissful excitement.

8.6 Your profound shouting would cause the demons and atheists to
flee, and your narrations of Lord Caitanya's message would fill the
hearts of the innocent souls.

8.7 Again the whole world would be excitedly bustling with good
tidings; but as it is, in your absence now there is nothing of value
anywhere.

8.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering
of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am
utterly despondent.

8.9 O Master! My heart is broken in your absence. This disciple
named Abhay has hereby revealed only a small token of his wretched agony of separation.

 

I believe it was Gandhi who said that you must be the change you wish to see in the world...

I know that it often seams impossible that we can bring about peace because the world seems like such a mess...but just because it seams impossible doesn't mean we can stop trying...

...if we don't, who will?

And yes, Jesus did die for us...but he had a divine idea from the moment that he was born that he would have to do that so that we may also be a part of God...

No, I do not really understand too much of what you are arguing about because I am new to this world of understanding....but I really think that perhaps we should drop arguing about which guru was right (if that's not what you are arguing about I'm sorry...) or whatever else that you are arguing about and go back to talking of praising Lord Krishna and if you follow a particular guru...or praise him too! No, I don't think we can change the world with the snap of our fingers...but we have found enlightment...and I believe we should embrace it in hopes of finding a way, however small, to change the world. I never had much faith in my generation...and I lost all faith in the human spirit for a long time (that is what fear does...I live by New York City...I had friends who lost their fathers in horrible acts...I used to have dreams of airplanes flying through my windows for a year and a half...). I used to be afraid, but many things opened my eyes...this is one of them. Hare Krishna is one of them. The one thing that I don't understand about religion is the politics...I know I've said it once before...but I seriously think we're all the same...we all love God, Lord Krishna, Lord Jesus, Buddha...every name, same person...same spirit...so does it really matter how we go about honoring him as long as we do?

Maybe I've missed the point...maybe because I'm new to this that I don't understand...but I'm trying...and if I'm off I ask you once again to ignore me...but I do ask for the sake of us all...that we take a break, evaluate everything that has been said, chant, and then approach this thread again... perhaps it may help, perhaps it won't. I don't know these things...I don't always understand, for sometimes I am just outside looking in..but I do feel that we have become pretty close......and I do hope that you do not leave YogaLady...I don't want you to; you've been a very good friend and its been a pleasure chatting with you...with all of you.

Haribol!

*Peace and Love*
Nicole

 

gdkumar: I understand what you're saying. It has no value to protect this flesh (body). It's egotistical. Yet, when there's an offence commited against people, who are innocant from untrhuthful accusations, isn't that egotistical too? I'm not going to defend them, because I don't want to be hurt, even though I know they are right. I don't know much about Jesus Christ, yet I never heard anything, which would contradict Krishna. He wasn not coward, when the crowd was about to stone Maria Magdalena. He said: "The one who is sinless may stone her!". We should not find mistakes in others, while we have mistakes ourselves. I didn't start this thread in order to mock other religions, or even putting them down, trying to find dirt on them. My intention was to become a better devotee of Krishna -to become more loving servant, because I know that it is more than harmful to do what one has no qualification to do. We are all on different paths even within Krisha consciousness. Therefore we should improve ourselves first, then we will help others simply by not causing suffering anymore. If you want to help them directly, you can't, because you never know what is really helping them. We are too ignorant to see all consequences, causes. The only person, who knows everything is Krishna. He's the one, who helps.
Bhagavadgita is mainly about this. Arjuna wants peace and he want to spare his family members, what seems to be a good thing to do, but Krishna says: "Fight!" -that is my order. You are not the one, who is God, who knows all circumstances. Why do you feel attached to your family? We are not our bodies. We are all spirit souls.
gkumar, I hope you're not upset, please try to understand.

 

Tamala Kanea: No one helped you. That's a fact. You asked that...
Prabhupada: Who?
Tamala Kanea:... Tirtha Maharaja for some help, he did not help at all. He would not even give a little place.
Prabhupada: Nobody. Everyone admits." ~ SP Room Conversations, June 17, 77, Vrindavana India

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Pusta Krsna: They don't want to become like their parents. They don't see that their parents are a desirable example to follow.
Prabhupada: Yes. Wine and sex. They see from childhood. One boy, Rancor, so his father and mother divorced and he was young child. He was the first child of his mother. And the mother, he said, would daily bring a new friend. So he could understand.
Pusta Krsna: A new woman.
Prabhupada: Not new woman, his mother, he was under the care of mother.
Pusta Krsna: Oh, mother had new husbands, new boyfriends.
Prabhupada: Daily night. And he was shocked. One of my Gaudiya Matha Godbrothers, big, he became the head of this Bhag Bazaar Gaudiya Matha. So his wife was debauched, and she was bringing new paramour, and the child protested.
Pusta Krsna: New?
Prabhupada: Paramour. And the boy, he was ten years or twelve years old, he could understand: "Who is this man?" So he protested and said, "I shall tell all these things to my father." And he was killed.
Pusta Krsna: The boy was killed?
Prabhupada: By the mother.
Hari-sauri: She murdered him?
Prabhupada: Yes. Killed means given poison. And the father, that is, my Godbrother, seeing this, he also took poison. This is the end of Gaudiya Matha scandal. He was also one of the trustees. This Tirtha Maharaja was a trustee, and another Godbrother and this man. In the beginning, they were made trustees. In the beginning, Prabhupada was to undergo surgical operation. So he was a little nervous, that "I may die." So he made a scrap paper, that "In case I die, these three disciples will be trustees of the Gaudiya Matha Institute." That's all. So this Kunja Babu kept this. There are many long histories. So one of the so-called trustees was this Vasudeva. So he died, his end was like this.
Pusta Krsna: His son was killed, isn't it?
Prabhupada: His wife was a regular prostitute, and she killed her child, and on this shock, he took poison and died.
Pusta Krsna: He killed himself, oh.
Prabhupada: Naturally, he became shocked, that "This is my family life--the wife is prostitute and son is killed. What is the value of my life?" This was his spiritual realization. Just see. (laughs) And he was made the chief, and one of the supporter was Sridhara Maharaja.
Pusta Krsna: Vasudeva Sridhara?
Prabhupada: No, no. He was made chief. Guru Maharaja did not make him chief. But after his passing away, some of our Godbrothers voted him chief.
Pusta Krsna: Am I mis...? You had told me once, I'm not certain. Maybe I made a mistake. You said that Vasudeva, it was known fact that he was homosex?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Pusta Krsna: Vasudeva.
Srila Prabupada, Morning Walk, June 18, 1976, Toronto

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Why is there this politics? This is not good. If politics come, then the preaching will be stopped. That is the difficulty. As soon as politics come, everything is spoiled. In the Gaudiya Math the politics is still going on. My Guru Maharaja left in 1936, and now it is 1976, so after 40 years the litigation is still going on. " Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Gurukrpa, 9/30/75

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"There are similarly men also. Unnecessarily they are envious, offensive, unnecessary. They cannot tolerate others' opulence. Just like our Godbrothers. They are envious. What I have done to them? I am doing my business, trying to serve my Guru Maharaja. But they are envious because I am so opulent. I have got so much fame, so many influence, so much influence all over the world. Everyone is praising me about... That is ignorance. And this is regrettable because they are posing themselves as Vaisnava. Ordinary man can do that, but they are dressing like Vaisnava, and they are so envious. That Tirtha Maharaja, unnecessarily he was envious, whole life fighting, fighting, fighting in the court and died. Simply planning." Prabhupada's Room Conversation in Bombay 1/8/77

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"Regarding the 92 section case against the Gaudiya Math, I don't think there is any possibility of compromise. Both the Bhagbazar Party [Sridhar Maharaja's group] and Mayapur party [Tirtha Maharaja's group] have unlawfully usurped the missionary institution of Srila Prabhupada, and whenever they will talk of a compromise, it means another complication." Prabhupada's Letter to Narayana Maharaja 9/30/69

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"In India some of the important members they have collected huge amounts in the name of the Society and spent it luxuriously. I wanted you all my experienced disciples should manage the whole institution very cleverly without any personal ambition like ordinary materialistic men. The Gaudiya Math institution has become smashed, at least stopped its program of preaching work on account of personal ambitions." ~ Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Karandhara 10/8/74

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"So far personal association with the Guru is concerned, I was only with my Guru Maharaja four or five times, but I have never left his association, not even for a moment. Because I am following his instructions, I have never felt any separation. There are some of my Godbrothers here in India who had constant personal association with Guru Maharaja, but who are neglecting his orders. This is just like the bug who is sitting on the lap of the king. He may be very puffed-up by his position, but all he can succeed in doing is biting the king. Personal association is not so important as association through service." SP letter to Satadhanya, Feb 20, 72, Calcutta

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"Regarding our Gaudiya Math in Bombay: I am very sorry that you are disappointed in respect of their activities. I know this fact because in 1934 I was one of the active members in starting this Math. The Gowalia Tank center was opened by me, and although I lived separately from the Math, practically I was in charge of the Math and under the instructions from His Divine Grace. Then after His Departure, you know so many unhappy things happened, but, as I was a householder, I remained always aloof from those unhappy incidences." Prabhupada letter to Jagannatha Prabhu, Montreal, June 22, 68

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"If somebody thinks, 'Oh, here is a snake with jewel. Let me embrace him, no, no, no, it is very ferocious. Even it is jewel there, it is ferocious. Similarly, these people are envious. Although they have become so-called Vaisnava, they are ferocious. They have not acquired the qualification of Vaisnava. Simply vesopidin(?), by dress." Srila Prabhupada's Room Conversation in Vrindaban 5/24/77

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"So any one of my godbrothers cannot help me in this way of book writing because they are unfortunate in the matter of preaching work. They are simply trying to infiltrate our society to so something harmful by their attempt. So please do not have any correspondence with this Purusottama or any of my godbrothers, so-called." -- SP letter to Karaunasindhu, Bombay, Nov 9, 75
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"Different Godbrothers took the words of Guru Maharaja in different interpretations for sense gratification and the whole mission disrupted." ~ SP letter to Tamala Krishna, Titenhurst, Oct 18, 69

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"Such neophytes, unable to appreciate the exalted service of the advanced devotee, try to bring the maha-bhagavata to their platform. We experience such difficulty in propagating this Krishna consciousness all over the world. Unfortunately we are surrounded by neophyte Godbrothers who do not appreciate the extraordinary activities of spreading Krishna consciousness all over the world. They simply try to bring us to their platform, and they try to criticize us in every respect. We very much regret their naive activities and poor fund of knowledge. An empowered person who is actually engaged in the confidential service of the Lord should not be treated as an ordinary human being, for it is stated that unless one is empowered by Krishna, one cannot spread the Krishna consciousness movement all over the world.

When one thus criticizes a pure devotee, he commits an offense (vaisnava-aparadha) that is very obstructive and dangerous for those who desire to advance in Krishna consciousness. A person cannot derive any spiritual benefit when he offends the lotus feet of a Vaineava. Everyone should therefore be very careful not to be jealous of an empowered Vaineava, or a cuddha-vaineava." ~ Srila Prabjupada, Nectar Of Instrution, text 6
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Prabhupada: Vandavana, yes. That “ Bhaktivedanta Swami speaks as strongly as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvate was speaking. ” You know that?
Ksirodaksaya: Oh, yes. I met so many times. I understand also.
Prabhupada: He said that.
Jayatertha: Very nice compliment.
Ksirodaksaya: He also said that “Srila Prabhupada is only one who has really taken the, his mission seriously. ”
Prabhupada: That is a fact. Of course, I do not say myself. That will not look good, but there is other... They, all my Godbrothers, realize it. “ But he is only representative. ” Somebody, they frankly admit, and somebody do not.
Ksirodaksaya: I met... Some they are starting coming here to see how the things are. (laughs) " -- SP Converstation at house of Ksirodaksi das, London, July 25, 76

 

Exactly! You keep apologizing for your ignorance -that's a proof of your knowledge, because only humble will recieve the bliss of intelligence from God.
Yeah, I hear you. We were close, you felt it and I felt it too. Let's return there and leave the politics on thread, where these topics are discussed.

 

"So far as cooperating with my Godbrothers is concerned, that is not very urgent business. So far until now my Godbrothers have regularly not cooperated with me and by the grace of my Spiritual Master, things are still going ahead. So cooperation or non-cooperation, it is the desire of Bhaktivinode Thakura to preach the Caitanya cult all over the world and in 1875 he predicted that someone would come very soon who would individually preach this cult all over the world. So if his benediction is there and my Guru Maharaja's blessings are there, we can go ahead without any impediment but all of us must be very sincere and serious. We have been a little inflicted by public criticism that we Godbrothers do not work together. My Guru Maharaja wanted also us to work together but some how or other it has not happened up until now. So your program of cooperating with Madhava Maharaja is not so important." pPrabhupada letter to Jayapataka, Gorakhpur, Feb 23, 71

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Krsna sakti vina nahe krsna name pracara: 'Without Krsna's special power of attorney, nobody can preach His name.' Caitanya-caritamrta. So these rascals, Godbrothers, they are envious that... What he has written? Bon Maharaja. Just see what kind of men they are. They are not even ordinary human being. They are envious of me, and what to speak of make a judgment by estimation? They're envious. Enviousness is immediately disqualification of Vaisnava, immediate. He is not a human being. Paramo nirmatsaranam satam. This Bhagavatam is meant for the person who is completely not envious. That is the beginning. Why a Vaisnava should be envious for anyone? Everyone is working according to his karma. He is trying to rectify him, that 'Be out of these clutches of karma. You come to bhakti.' Why he should be envious? Vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca krpa-sindhubhya eva ca. A Vaisnava should be like ocean of mercy to reclaim the fallen souls. That is Vaisnava's qualification. So Vaisnava should be envious? Just see. So these persons, they are not even human being, what to speak of Vaisnava. Vaisnava cannot be envious. Vaisnava should be: 'Oh, my Lord's name is being broadcast. He is getting, giving so much service to make Krsna known.' That man has appreciated, that 'All these spiritual leaders, they are deriding. You are the only man... You are... It enthuses us, give us more encouragement, that you are keeping intact, love of Krsna.' This is an appreciation. Why he should be envious? He should be, rather, very much enthused that 'This single man is keeping Krsna all over the world.' And everyone is deriding." -- Prabhupada's Room Conversation with a Reporter in Johannesburg 10/16/75

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"Do not be depressed. All along my godbrothers gave me only depression, repression, compression--but I continued strong in my duty. So never mind there is some discouragement, continue with your work in full enthusiastic Krishna Consciousness attitude of service." ~ Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Gurudasa 8/29/72

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"Regarding the Gaudiya Math books being circulated there, who is distributing? Who is sending these books? The Gaudiya Math does not sell our books, why we should sell their books. Who has introduced these books? Let me know. These books should not at all be circulated in our Society. Bhakti Vilas Tirtha is very much antagonistic to our society and he has no clear conception of devotional service. He is contaminated." Prabhupada letter to Sukadeva, New Delhi, Nov 14, 73