Who actually believed Geldof's shite about our leaders actually giving a shit? Are you yet prepared to admit that Geldof at the least was misguided or at most down right arrogant and self serving? Or is it simply that you believe in celebrity so much that the reality of it all doesn't even figure? http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1563360,00.html Mmmm?:H
my first thought was of his incredibly shite redition of his old bands song "i don't like mondays" then to the fact that he was incredibly arrogant. He said that the leaders wanted poverty to end.... like hell, their countries get so many millions of payment from developing countries in debt, their economies exist because of increasingly tariffed imports and quotas... But then the other side is that, to get the message to so many people, u can't just condemn the countries and their leaders, the majority of british people are still patriotic (even if it is 51%) u have to say that the leaders want change, otherwise the target audience (mostly working class people who like their country) will just say its another "socialist, hippy piece of crap" and switch off back into their apathetic waste of a life. I do blame geldof for being so smug and kinda a twat, but then how many people u see wearing those "make poverty history" bracelets, how many more people do u see signing up to charities on the street... just a point.
zonk why is it that we expect the g8 to fix the problem, when you have countrys like south africa and sub saharran africa spending enough money on arms to feed and give basic medical care for the world . or countrys like india and pakistan spendin 30 billion on nukes these are both poor countrys and they have cut their budgets to help their own poor to the bone for military spending . when are people going to start protesting the right people
and if you can see that the help you give will be wasted why should you give help, I can understand how in the circumstances you might flim flam people
You mean like lending them money which they can then spend on arms from one of our wholesale arms fairs like the one next week in London? Anyway stop derailing my fucking thread.
I worked in that arms fair I think about 20 years ago and concentrating on the people who sell arms isnt going to stop people buying all that you do is sell from another fair outside europe you could set up a fair in africa if you wanted . what you need to do is concentrate on the buyers because as long as you have lots of people buying you will have people happy to sell them arms, and they dont need to actually sell them arms they can sell the technology to make a weapons system. the g8 dont control india and pakistan spending on nukes, your attacking the wrong people . I didnt believe that our leaders gave a shit but thats not the point they arnt the important people in all this ..... geldorf and the whole live aid thing was a smokescreen that placed the blame on the wrong people . Im not sure if hes just thick or what his motivation is
My god man I think one's got it. No more giving the nice Mr.Arms-Dealer trouble from me old chap what, after all he's only providing a service! Snort snort.
well look at the war on drugs arresting dealers and smugglers doesnt have much of a effect does it . as long as you have a demand you will have people happy to supply that demand whether its selling heroin or guns . in the thread about your demonstration you said Wars continue today only thanks to the arms trade. I dont think this is true ,you have a demand for weapons and if they dont buy them in the uk they will buy them in china or good knows where or make the arms themselves . getting rid of the demand is the only thing that will work by shameing the countrys spending billions on arms while having millions in poverty and starvation . This isnt happening
I think you'll find in all my arguments Capitalism is the major cock... And capitalists be they G8 leaders, arms dealers, African dictators and fucking Jiminy Cricket are the suckers of said cocks.... Know what I mean? Now do you have an intellectual contribution to make about Geldof and his antics or are you just willy waving as usual? (And you haven't even thrown in a muslim or two for good measure!!!)
is capitalism the cause why people do drugs,I dont think its the cause why they buy weapons with drugs I think theres a craving for whatever the drug supplys, for whatever reason some people like to get fucked up ,often you cant understand why they do it but they just do . same with arms people have aggression or fears and fight wars you made the statement that wars continue because of the arms trade I dont think this is true . I dont believe that without drug dealers people would lose interest in getting fucked up on drugs and I dont believe that with out gun dealers they would lose interest in violence and killing each other if there is no international arms trade they can still make the weapons in their own countrys and in many ways they will be more dangerous if they do that . what really can you say about geldorf hes just a smokescreen and a diversion, he said that the main problem in the third world is bad leadership of third world countrys but he isnt attacking the leaders of those countrys he attacks the g8 instead so you have to ask yourself why
Well yes, it really suprises me that you don't see a link between abject poverty and drug addiction... And it also REALLY suprises me that you don't see a link between capitalism-wars-arms trade... No doubt you also dont see the industrial revolution having anything to do with the suddenly mass scale slaughter on the worlds battle-fields with the mass production of arms... Sadly Jonny you must've missed Geldof's repeated call to NOT slagg off the leaders of the G8. What are you smoking? Where did I make this statement please?
