HAARP - Anyone Familiar With This Technology?

hole punch cloud
here a thin layer of Altocumulus with undercooled water recieved condensation grains (probably by airplane vapor injected) and precipitates ice crystals which fall towards the center and evaporate soon.

 

I don't live in an area with a lot of flights. So far this Summer there has not been the abundance of planes that there were last Summer, in fact nearly none have flown within earshot of my part of town. Also, the behaviour of these planes must be emphasised again: The planes I witnessed would methodically travel across the sky in what was DEFINITELY not a straight line, ie going back and forth to make grids, sharp banks in seemingly aimless directions.

You mean no reason that you can think of? Do you actually know anything about geoengineering or the motives behind applying this sort of technology/supposed objectives of using this poison? Wikipedia is not a great source for this subject.

This is not made up of simply finding minerals in the soil, it is only one part of the evidence, some of which I presented along with the presence of minerals, fuck knows how you missed those. There was even some in capital letters.

I would like some sort of reference for these claims you make about Roman smelting polluting the world, that's news to me. And perhaps to make that claim relevant to what we're discussing you could suggest why barium and aluminium have been found in certain places. I really suggest you watch at least the film "what in the world are the spraying" before you comment any more, at least weigh out the facts. I tell you, when my friend first told me about these chemtrails, I thought he was going crazy, smoking too much of the herb. Then I weighed the evidence and the facts and they spoke for themselves.

Of course they're not on passenger jets... Good God... Mostly military spec craft or modified passenger type crafts. That's another thing that PROVES that they are chemtrails and not contrails: There is no distance between the craft and the trail, it comes straight out the back. I think if you search you'll find plenty of footage showing that analysis has been well and truly taken care of.

It's obvious that you have no knowledge of this subject, you're just spouting opinion and the kind of debunk attempts that have already been answered and dismissed.

Watch that film.

 

Yes, exactly, it's impossible!!! So IT'S NOT WATER VAPOUR!!!! And these clouds don't ever drop any water!! Rain does not come from these clouds, they fall all the way to the ground as solid matter!

A group of French researchers had access to what was basically "live" flight data for a study on this and basically outright proved chemtrailing the other year. They clocked planes at heights waaaaaay under the minimum height for a contrail to even form! And also had planes at almost the same altitude +/- 500feet, one producing the nice, unoffensive contrail but the other, well, not a contrail.

Could you explain this with your cloud knowledge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kcTvqiMNl8"]CONTRAIL vs CHEMTRAIL 101 - YouTube

 

Another aspect to consider: (trying to find video)

Contrails are formed in a 2 or 4 line pattern, depending on the number of engines, as far as I know. Every time I have seen one it has been 2 lines eminating from the engines, about mid way down the wing but it looks more like the end of the wing from the ground. Many chemtrails have been sighted in a 2, 3 or more line initial pattern, before they dissipate.

Not the best example but watch this guy magically turn off his "contrail" (video apparently taken by a pilot):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh7qA2tqQ5c"]Chemtrail Spraying Up Close & Definitive Proof-This Must Stop - YouTube

A good example of the lack of distance between the plane and the trail and a magic "contrail" with on and off capability!!!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IiCeGP2ZP8&feature=related"]Chemtrail plane over NJ 11/14/10 - YouTube

What I think is a contrail mislabelled as a chemtrail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xE4Mo1xX9Q&feature=related"]Chemtrail plane up close - YouTube


Why would this happen to a contrail?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3eKGFAxmJA&feature=related"]Amazing - Chemtrail Plane switches trail on and off - YouTube

 

Mustlivelife, I watched the one called "Chemtrail Spraying Up Close & Definitive Proof-This Must Stop", and I suggest you watch it again.

I don't know the plane, but those are not nozzles on the wing, there's a lot of things that go on wings, including hardpoints, insturmentation, buckets for reverse thrust, flap/spoiler/other control surfaces, fueling/ariel fueiling points, etc. Maybe someone who knows planes could identify it, which would allow you to see exactly what they are in the planes schematics. That looks like some sort of tail-engined plane to me, but if you look at the wikipedia page for airplane, you'll see a picture of a very common plane, a boeing 737, with similar structures visible on the wings, these act as support for the control surfaces, and may do other things. But they're not nozzles, there's a lot of things that go on wings that are not engines.

And only a little vapor was coming from those, as the guy in the video said, "it's like it's spraying out of the top of his wings" (or something to that effect) because if you looked, it was a vapor trail coming off of the flaps/ailerons. I mentioned this before, if you watch out a plane window you can see vapor condensing against hard surfaces as the air flows over them. You can see there's no actual spraying there, go look at crop dusting videos, it doesn't look like that at all. Furthermore, that commercial plane has no space for dusting tanks, the wings are already full of fuel, it takes a tremendous amount of fuel to haul around all that airplane weight, full of passengers and cargo to boot.

And as you might have guessed, and seen from the sort of weather they're flying through, the vapor is appearing/disappearing as they go through wet/dry spots in the air.

I have to pack my car before it gets dark, so I only have the time for that one video and rebuttal now, but I think it provided plenty of material for the moment.

 

Do you even read my posts? They are not passenger planes, FFS.

I see you've forgotten about your little distance point. Care to explain the lack of distance between the plane and trail?

Contrails are formed from the EXHAUST VAPOUR from the engines. Also, that plane seems to display a remarkable lack of markings.

Also, you said it looks like a tail-engined craft by that I'm assuming you mean there are engines mounted on the rear portion of the fuselage... SO WHY WOULD THE FUEL BE IN THE WINGS????

Did you watch that film yet?

 

Back for a short break from packing.

Exhaust vapor takes time to condense. The vapor in that video is caused, essentially, by the plane knocking moisture out of moisture laden air. Perhaps midguard can correct me on this or expand on it.

Fuel is stored in wings on aircraft because it's otherwise empty space, and you can't waste space when you're cutting pounds to fly around. We do life in the age of fuel lines, you know (the belly is taken up by cargo space, pressurization equipment, insturmentation, emergency generators (on flip-down props) to power avionics if there's catastrophic engine failure (ie, HOLES in those fuel lines from the wings)) and when I said tail engined, I meant tri-engined, in the manner of the "tri-star, that it has wing engines and a tail engine. I don't know enough about planes to identify that one, but it IS a passenger/commercial jet.

As for the planes in your area, I believe you can pull up the FAA records/flight plans, and see exactly who flew where when, and see just who's flying around your airspace.

Still didn't watch the long chemtrail film you speak of, may be a long time till I have that much time, currently packing to go to college, and then have a bunch happening for a while. I very well may at some point, though.

Keep in mind, I used to believe the moon landings where hoaxes.... then I spent time living at an observatory that was partly funded and run by nasa, partly to gather info for that stuff.... have seen the apollo 17 site orbital photos, etc..... and moon rocks. not a doubt in my mind we landed on the moon.... why the fuck would you fake that? lots of scientific reason to do it, no reason to fake it. Believing there's sometimes more than meets the eye doesn't mean you have to drag a conspiracy out of everything, HAARP is partly university run and there's nothing sinister about it, we landed on the moon, condensation is real, but the twin towers obviously didn't fall how they say, just for example.

*edit* one thing is that chemtrails are usually attributed to passenger jets, or just planes in general. At least, that I've seen. But again, you can look up the flights, I think....

 

Midgardsun - where ever did you get this amazing photograph? In what country was this taken?

One Of The Difference
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RooRShack - I've just reviewed your posts, and I find it imperative to say that I am in Must Live Life's corner; all the way across the board. And, your statement of: "Perhaps midguard can correct me on this or expand on it" is absolutely ludicrous! It escapes me where you get the notion that we would be inclined to find Midgardsun's information any more credible than yours. It should be glaringlyobvious to you by now that we're not buying it! I have conducted extensive research on the subject of Chemtrails vs Contrails, and it is evident that Must Live Life also has, from the accurate information in which we concur. As well, both Must Live Life and I have seen Chemtrails numerous times with our own very eyes! At this point, your propensity to relentlessly attribute one's belief in the existence of Chemtrails to "Conspiracy Theories" is not only erroneous, it is insulting.You can take the time to monitor and submit posts within this thread, but you claim you haven't the time to watch the video that Must Live Life so graciously took the time to refer you to; because you so obviously needed some education on the matter?Gosh, what's wrong with that picture, dude? What the heck are you thinking? Were it not for your smug attitude as you continue to make mockery of our discussion, I daresay I wouldn't even respond to what you put forth. In closing, your age is listed as twenty .... and yet, your strategy insinuates that of a different chronological age. How dumb do you think we are?
One Of The Difference
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Must Live Life - I just watched the four video clips you provided in your post #44 above, and man-o-man, those are great demonstrations of planes exuding Chemtrails! Thanks for posting those.

And, as for you, RoorShack - if you think that the planes in all four of those videos are anything but Chemtrails, there's something wrong with the way you think. Let's hear what you've got to say about those, dude.
Are you gonna claim those are Contrails??!

One Of The Difference
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On yeah, RoorShack ..... let's hear some input from you about HAARP, please.
Wait - let me guess - you're going to say HAARP is a product of our imagination too, right?

Since you expound about your knowledge on the parameters of planes; and living at an Observatory funded by NASA; and that you have knowledge about flight plans of the FAA ... then surely you can enlighten us with some real special data regarding HAARP technology. Mind you, I'm not questioning the validity of
the extent of your knowledge (especially for one of only 20!) - what I'm saying is that; taking into consideration what you've said regarding the knowledge that you do have; it follows that you should be able to contribute information about HAARP as well.

I'm waiting ..........

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Sigh.

Yeah, I'm back, with no sound because my soundsystem is in my car, and has been for hours. I can't watch it now, read my post.

But if you'd read my post, you'd realize that I answered all those videos, which I just watched with no sound, when I answered the first.

Some of them have videos of contrails, which do take some distance to appear, and some have videos of vapor trails that are unrelated to exhaust temperatures, which turn "on" and "off" (rather quickly, for no reason whatsoever if it was chemtrails, especially if it was some super secret thing, I might add) as the plane goes through air with different amounts of moisture in it. I've watched those form with my own fucking eyes off the wings of multiple planes just a few feet to my right or left, the upturned tips of those airbusses especially do it in all sorts of types of air. Clearly no nozzle there, simply a sheet of vapor being forced out of the air by the wing's pressure changes (that IS how a wing functions, you realize). Jesus christ, next time I fly I'll take a camera, so I can show all those who have never been off the ground what they're talking about. Further, I've seen identical sheets off passenger flight wings, while I was personally a passenger, and the consensus in this thread seems to be that chemtrails are only sprayed by dedicated flights.... so why have I seen the exact same thing as in those videos on passenger flights?

I said midguard might be able to expand upon what I said because he's obviously studied meteorology a lot more than me. You could see this, if you used any sort of abstraction techniques... But those seem beyond you. Also, because midguard believes a LOT of things, and if he DOESN'T believe one.... holy fuck, there's a LOT of evidence against it.

I'll watch your stupid video, and deconstruct it, when I'm moved in and can hear it, and have had enough sleep to be coherent.

*edit* about haarp, first of all I have nothing to do with it, the observatory in question isn't even involved with nasa anymore, it was when info was needed ( and lots less was had) for space exploration like apollo missions. but second of all, what do you think it can DO? Apply some logic to it, think about what it is.... There's other ionosphere heating devices, go chase them down. It's boring shit. I generally support science, but I have little interest in HAARP, it's just watching what the atmosphere does with radio waves, it could potentially be used to evaluate the damage associated with various types of weapon deployments (say, interference with communications associated with a weapon) or it could mostly just be used to learn how to have better satellites and cell towers and shit, and thus better spy on people. I mean, they totally admit that.... THAT is the sinister part. How can you look past that? It would be so easy to not even mention, just call it a cell phone tower testing and compliance range or something, no one would even have any clue, WHY would they go camouflage something that really IS sinister, as something ELSE sinister? In and of itself, this antenna range in alaska isn't doing shit, and isn't dangerous, there's fucking on site housing and whatnot. The worst case scenario is that it's NOT being used to figure out how to save the world from BP, exxon, and their pals.

Also, just noticed mustlivelife said that 3 line patterns are fair game for chemtrails.... before posting a video of a tri-engined jet, forming what the video claimed was chemtrails that didn't even come from the engine.... Go hang out at the airport and check out the planes....

Fuck, I'm really done this time, bedtime.

 

Hi, the photograph was amongst the images from google hole punch clouds, I dont know where it was taken.
HPC are quite rare, when I observe the clouds every day I see them about one time a year in average. You can see them also on satellite images.

 

I watched the three videos and dont see evidence for spraying. There are various reasons why a contrail gets interrupted: zones of dryer air, changements of the airplane flying patterns and other. From the color I can tell its water vapor, other substances would look very different in color, optical phenomenons and other.

The only exceptions I know of are our grail combat airplanes which always fly into the updraft region of a thunderstorm (Cumulonimbus) to inject condensation grains. The amount of injected material is too small to see it from the ground and they spray at very low levels, UNDER the storm updraft clouds.

The other exception I know of are military airplanes dropping aluminum or other matter to disturb enemy radar in exercises. That happens in average several times a year and on radar images we observe those trails which look like rain on radar.
Members of our meteo forum have already written something about it and sent it to the German military- I dont know if there was a reaction from them because it didnt interest me too much, several times I spotted that phenomenon and reported it to the meteo forum. But those trails are invisible for ground spotters since the amount of particles is too small and doesnt result in water vapor or ice crystal trails.

Radar image of military chaff:

 

ww2 contrails

 

Putting up pictures of planes leaving trails and calling them contrails is no different from putting up pictures from planes and calling them chemtrails.

I shall reassert myself again in a future post, I shall wait for more replies before demanding answers to prove that you have undergone the thought process that I am requesting you to undertake. It doesn't appear that you've done that, you've just jumped straight to "they're not chemtrails because because" seemingly without considering "they are chemtrials because because".

The fact that planes can make contrails, some even in relatively rare circumstances where they behave abnormally, is not proof that chemtrails do not exist.

Seriously, the moon landing but not chemtrails?

 

Hi mustivelife, the moon landing is another story where I can SEE more reasons that it was a fake than reasons that it was for real.

I just looked at the google images "chemtrails" and they all show contrails, water dropplets that were frozen to little plates of ice. I dont see one image which seems to show another matter than frozen water.
http://www.google.de/search?q=chemt...&ei=_DhRToTdNc_o-gbx8_jgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QsAQ


Clouds look very different if they contain something else than water. Imagine a dust cloud or a smoke cloud look very different from ice clouds.

 

Here, here, Must Live Life! I couldn't have said it better myself; I concur.

One Of The Difference

 

Must Live Life - here's some news-breaking information for you:

Regarding that amazing photograph that Midgardsun posted that I inquired about:

That precise photograph was returned in the results when I did a Google search
for images of HAARP! I pulled up Google; typed "HAARP" in the search box, then
clicked on "Images", and that exact photograph was about half-way down in the page! I clicked on it, and when I clicked on the picture, it said, "Russian Political Scientist Claims HAARP Used on Russia". Isn't is amazing the coincidental way that we can come full circle on things?

Thought you'd really dig that!

Regards, One Of The Difference

 

And smoke and dusts also settle/disintegrate very quickly.