Guncrazy USA

we're not talking about cars here. if you wanna get tehcnical, fine!~ knives kill, scissors kill, animals kill, people kill, just about everything kills. but we're talking guns here.
and shows how little YOU know- last year it was a local story in my town about gun checks. i live here. not you.

i still say owning a gun is insane.
and i don't respect Washington and Franklin- the "forefathers" were nothing but rapists, murderers and slave owners. so do you respect their writings a little more? DAMN staright you do. cause i don't.

 

Actually I do live there. Not Waukegan, but in Illinois anyway. And there is no way that any gun shop sold to someone without an FOID card and stayed in business.

 

You can kill someone with a pair of shoes by:
Stabbing them with the spike on a stilleto, or a high heel,
beating them to death with one,
trampling them to death,
kicking them to death.

Should we ban steel-toed boots because I could crack someone's skull with one kick?

Also, a recent post on another forum by a man who carries for self-defense got me thinking...

How many of you anti-gun people have ever been shot/shot at?
Don't give me the "if guns were banned, you wouldn't get shot" crap either.
Gun bans do no good. For crying out loud, I could very easily build a gun in my garage... Now imagine that... all it takes is some machining skill and the ability to replicate a firing mechanism to piece together gun parts... eventually even a novice would get it right... Now, imagine somebody with a homeade gun, just as good as a low-grade mass-produced gun, but this garage-made product has no serial number, and therefore couldn't be traced by anything other than prints, DNA, striations, or other marks left by the mechanism...

Use gloves and keep yourself clean around that gun, drop it at the scene, and you just got away with murder. Maybe they'd get you for something else, but the gun couldn't be pinned unless they could prove you made it.

 

The idea is that guns are a lot harder to obtain, so there are less circulating. The point people keep making that you can use other things to kill is void. Those things aren't designed to kill. Guns are designed to kill, that is their purpose, want a recreational gun? Get a BB, plastic/foam pellet firing gun, get a spud gun. Those don't kill, those are legal.

 

What are guns designed for then? Weeding a flowerbed? Baking cakes? Changing the channel? Wearing? Shelf Ornaments? Pets? Drawing? Transport?

 

My point being that if that was the purpose of guns, they would all be configured to only shoot non lethal bullets.

 

Fuck guns. And believe me, the constitution does not grant the right to bear arms because you want to go out hunting or shooting recreationally. And personally, I think the 2nd amendment refers to state militias not just any individual being able to carry a firearm.

 

^Agreed, Balbus has been called a spin doctor. But the true spin doctors are the pro gun propagandists who manipulate a very vague sentence about state militias into something that gives everyone the 'right' to own a dangerous weapon.

 

Oh come on, why were guns first made? To propel projectiles faster than someone can throw them? No, they were made to kill people. Same today, I was simply arguing with the BB/Spud gun point that if you want a gun for 'recreational' use, use one of them.

Prohibition of guns does work however, because it's a lot easier to grow/manufacture drugs without being found out than it is to manufacture weaponry. Not to mention the fact that guns are a lot easier to monitor than drugs.

Murder being illegal is nothing to do with attempting to get rid of murders, it'll lessen them slightly. But the point of things like that being criminal offences is to punish or rehabilitate (depending on your point of view)

 

thanks for saving me from having to respond . I should not even look at this thread it just makes mad.

 

finnaz. you have no idea what you are talking about.why are you still talking

 

And that's a well structured argument against my points how?

 

Finnaz, you're still yet to make a single well-structured argument. Well to be fair you made an ATTEMPT at one, but then when I shot it down you just pretended the whole thing never happened.




To those that say the 2nd amendment deals with group rights (militias) and not individual rights I say this: How much sense does it make to you that EVERY OTHER enumerated right in the bill of rights deals with INDIVIDUALS, yet this one doesn't?

Yeah I thought so.

 

well i read many well structured aguments. your points as you call them are based on YOUR PERSONAL IDEAS NOT FACT!

 

Sorry about not responding to it, but I can't find it (not trying to be sarcastic or anything, can you point me to it please hehe)

First draft of the 2nd amendment:
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render service in person."


On the point of guns being easy to make, there is no specific problem with homemade guns here in the U.K, where guns are illegal, the only recent incident involving one was where a man, who assaulted a young woman and then barricaded himself in his house, used a homemade shotgun to shoot at the police, and he was shot by a police marksman.

 

guns were made for killing.
i highly doubt the inventor of shoes went "high heels....let's make them so you can stab someone's eyes out! YEAH!!"

as for Illinois gun laws- so HELP me if i hear about them again. you guys don't read my posts correctly. sigh.

the constitution is a bunch of bullshit.

guns need to go away. now.

QUOTE:"Bullshit. Guns are designed to propel projectiles faster than people can trow them. What that projectile does is a secondary concern. This is simply a more modern answer to an age old problem. Slings, arrows, atlatls, and trebuchets are all designed to do pretty much the same thing."...AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ignorance is bliss. AHAHAHAHA! *sigh*. so....why were bullets made? what exactly WERE guns supposed to "propel faster than we can throw them"? bullets. to kill. that is the sole use of a gun. you don't use it for anything else.
and some hippies a few of you guys are~ advocating gun use? and comparing them to SHOES?! peace, man, peace.

and the fact that someone said potato guns aren't lethal- hmm. a potato being hurled at my body, possibly my face/head/chest, at a very fast speed DOESN'T kill me?! wow was i wrong all this time! psh.

stop mentioning hammers, screwdrivers, SHOES SHOES SHOES, stop mentioning those fucking gun laws, stop being IGNORANT, and start actually thinking.

GUNS SHOULD NOT EXIST. they KILL. they MAIM. and they were made for NOTHING ELSE. bottom line.

i refuse to answer this thread anymore, because so many of you are crazy.

there. i'm done.

 

I don't use facts? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231360&page=173&pp=10 check the top of the page, I used statistics then to base my points on. (Moongazer, I am against any part of gun culture personally, but what I was saying was that if people want to get the same power rush they get from poncing around with a gun, they can do it with a less dangerous one)

 

Anything you say after this is no longer valid. Disgusting. The ignorance in this thread is olverwhelming, on both sides.

 

Her point, as she'd made earlier, is that due to the constitution being written up by a fair number of slave traders/owners then any points on morals and rights become a bit hazy.

I do agree that the U.S constitution is a mostly good thing (better if the 2nd amendment was fully clear). I personally prefer to go by the U.N declaration of Human Rights as a guide myself, and that gets trampled on all over the world.

 

Here is my response to your "facts", Finnaz.