Guncrazy USA

Its you that have become unstable. You live in fear. Calm your fear. Your fear has turned to oppression, you are the oppressor, you are the fascist, the whacko, the gunman. Stop being afraid and become human, join with the human race we wont hurt you.

You are so afraid that you cannot think straight anymore. Its you that is the criminal, think about it !

Yes society is taking you where its going but thats ok just let go and go with it. Your fear is because you cannot control society, you feel it may wash over you and completely devour you, but even if that were the case, you will not stop it with a gun. End your aggression by calming your fear.
become the one that wipes his ass on the constitution and moves beyond fear of society and what it does, stop being the out-of-control
control-freak and join society

Its you that people are afraid of, because you have extended your fear into a weapon of terrible force - you are afraid of people to the extent you are insane.

Actually, its been this way ever since you lot went into korea and shot yourselves in the foot !!! ha ha ha

Of course the only time we ever really sympathised with you was when kennedy was shot but that was for about 2 days until everyone realised he had nothing to do with the UK and was clogging our TV signals

 

Decline


1 – They didn’t seem relevant and you still haven’t explained why you think them relevant?
2 – As I’ve said this is the kind of opinion someone would have if they thought guns are the solution to problems.
3 – LOL what do you think the Swiss are a step up on the evolutionary tree or something; I don’t think you can have meet many Swiss?

 

one could say guns are like marijuana--better to have and not need than to need and not have.And Gandi's methods only work with civilised people.Try his methods in most of the world and -BANG--you're gone.

 

You know the troeuble with stupid people is that they believe entirely the truth of what they are saying and cannot see things any other way. It is surely the most ridiculous of situations to be in where the ownership of a gun is the problem, yet people want to protect themselves with a gun

Take this gasoline and fire it through that hose - when it comes through, light it and point it at the building, thats right now lets see if we can put out a fire with this method

ha ha ha - the usa isnt a civilisation, its a battlefield
seems to me evolution has taken a backward step over there

 

Assumption, ladies and gentlemen, is said to be the mother of all fuck-ups. If this is so then I won't mention who said that the Korean student did (or most likely did) get his guns from an illegal source.The point is that once again the public demonstrated its lack of judgment by immediately "assuming" where the killer had found his guns rather than wait to act on evidence. But that's not the first, or indeed the last time that we will see a hanging posse in the States, is it?

So far, apart from Balbus, Ronald MacDonald, and the person who mentioned a great example in political leadership, ie Ghandi, all I have seen is a bunch of mish-mash, and childish tantrums like a bunch of little nippers who refuse to accept its their bedtime.

Let's start blowing the cobwebs from all assumptions, alter-ego-freshly-created-threadblocking-guests, and Swiss/German etc diversions.

Let's concentrate on some facts:

Fact 1: The killer's name was Cho Seung-Hui, a 23 year old foreign student.

Fact 2: Cho Seung-Hui bought one of his guns, a Glock 9mm semi-automatic pistol and a box of 50 cartridges "legitimally" from a shop, "Roanoake Firearms".

Fact 3: He paid $570.

Fact 4: He was asked to provide, according to current legislation 3 forms of ID, and passed an additional check carried out by the state police.

Fact 5: The checks threw up no red flags.

Fact 6: The entire transaction took no more than 20 minutes.

Fact 7: Co Seung-Hui, a student from South Korea, studying in the USA on a student visa, walked into his university, killed 32 people in cold blood, and then commited suicide.

When the store owner was interviewed after this tragedy, this is what he said:

"I don't know anything about him. I just sold him the gun."

That, for me, encapsulates how blind America has become, and as Balbus has very intelligently pointed out already, it will never tackle its inner problems with aggression, only hold them back temporarilly.

Someone earlier on tittered something like a mouse about countries with gun-control are more violent that those without it.

I can't remember who it was, and don't care, because you show me one, just one of those countries, and then match it next to the gun crime in the US and see which one comes out the worst.

Time to get realistic, boys and girls. You don't need the peashooters. Hand them in, and start acting and behaving like grown-ups.

 

Please understand that my individual rights are protected under the constitution, Reguardless of big fat pigs. As to one gun oppressing 300 people, I highly doubt it and if it did happen I'd hope someone else would be packing too, before it ever got to that number. Also the i dunno where in the constitution it says anything about people's "feelings". I can feel all sorts of ways about stuff, but it doesn't give me the right to impede on someone else's rights. I don't like what Rosie O'Donald says, however I can't shut her up because that's her right. Also is that really your grandfather? If so neat picture. (just for historical value)

On a side note, I wonder if the jews would've liked some ar-15's in thier basements????

Edit: because I kant spel

 

I've noticed alot of 'cross the pond bashing on this thread. I've also noticed that the majority of people in favor of the second amendment are American, while virtually everyone for gun control is European. I think we're all brothers in humanity, don't get me wrong. However I also feel that:
1) You don't live here, so you do not understand the need for firearms.
2) Different cultures have different expectations of what is acceptable, just because we support the right to bear arms does not automatically make us barbaric, stupid, or give you the right to label us children, moronic, or any of the other litany of slurs i've seen in this thread.
3) Simply put, you don't live in the United States, therefore our right to bear arms is none of your goddamn business, and it is quite rude of you to stick your nose into our domestic affairs, preaching and judging, generally acting "holier than thou".

I apologize for being so blunt, but you need to know that. I'm beginning to get angry at the condescending attitudes, the labels, and the general lack of understanding. We are not a one world nation (yet), and none of you have the right to post so much hate filled rhetoric....you disagree, we understand, however you must also understand, your opinions are a trite novelty having no bearing on the way we feel or operate, we Americans have been very patient and tried to help you to understand why this right is so important to us, you refuse to see the forest for the trees.......that's fine, but cut out the fucking xenophobic hate.

 

im gonna repeat some peopel and simply say


gun control keeps guns out of the hands of responsible citizen and in the hands of the government and criminals (no difference there though).

 

Agreed, you guys got your rights taken away can't you just be happy with that. Damn, anymore I am suprised people aren't chearing the death of more Americans. We can only aspire to be as perfect as the rest of the world.

 

"People who own guns are not necessarilly bad, however, their danger to the community increases a thousandfold when they possess a firearm."

I love all you gun control nuts and your giant leaps of logic.....stick your cowardly heads firmly back up your asses, and when that crackhead wielding a knife breaks into your house, just call the local constible and wait for him to come save you. So because I happen to own a number of guns, my community is much less safe, even if we have some sort of problem like this where citizens need to step up and do something proactive to stop a tragedy, I couldnt possible be of any help huh?

Contrary to what you might think I do believe that our background check system needs to be overhauled and they need to stop spending all of our tax dollars on bullshit wars, reinvest in communities with the goal of preventing tragedies like this.

This shooting is endemic to a much larger problem in my country. Unfortunately it goes far beyond access to guns.

Oh yeah, you never hear of the many different incidences in America where an armed citizen prevents a crime from being perpetrated on them or people around them....but let me tell you, it happens much more than the media or government are willing to admit.

 

White Scorpion,
Sorry, I hate to tell, but frankly there's gonna be a lot of people in this country who would rather shoot you than for them to hand over their peashooters to you.

And that's just an understatement.
:H

 

I'll mention his name. It was that asshat Zoomie.

OK, read that again. Then remember something that happened in September of 2001. Do you honestly think it is legal, under current DHS regs (not to mention that piece of shit Patriot Act) for a foreign national to legally own a firearm? That aside, to purchase a firearm in Virginia, you must provide a local, permanent address, not a college dormitory room. Somebody fucked up. And it was probably somewhere in Virginia's system. I hope they get their ass sued off and have no doubt they will. Here in Maryland and DC there used to be this big issue of street gangs going down to Virginia, legally buying guns and illegally bringing them back here. Seems like Virginia failed to keep it's promise to do something about it's gun trade.

That notwithstanding, Cho did not legally possess any of the guns or ammunition he used. They were not legally purchased, they were not legally possessed, your entire post is null. The guy was a nutcase, he would have killed fewer people with a cricket bat or a butter knife, but he didn't. He killed a lot with a gun he obtained in violation of existing gun and Homeland Security law.

I respect that we, as reasonable people can disagree and I think you are very intelligent and eloquent as posters here go. And I agree with you that American culture and society are a toilet. I'll get to work on that.

Sweet dreams.

 

my thoughts



We need to arm more people.

the largest mass-murder spree killing before this happened was in texas in the early nineties and the families who were torn apart because of it were the driving force behind that state's CCW laws. One of the survivors had a gun in her car and ddint bring onto the premises because of the up to then strict carry laws. She watched her family be killed because she trusted in gun control. You cant stop a psychopath from killing, you can only defend yourself.

think about it, Cho purchased his first firearm over a month ago, presented 3 different forms of ID, no prior incidents with the law and not felon so a background check would have ment nothing, he was patient enough to wait a month to buy his second gun. Do you really think tighter laws would have stopped him?

They got school killings over in China too, only there they like to use blades not firearms.

You increase the amount of the general populace in an area that own firearms and it decreases crime, not the other way around.

It was like shooting fish in a barrell to the guy.

Not only that but gun laws are stricter now than 50 years ago, but school shootings are a recent phenom, so obviously wether or not gun laws are strict enough is beside the point...

Shit, the 911 hijackers ddnt need guns in order to kill 3000+ people (although PROACTIVE citizens stopped one of the planes from hitting anything but a meadow), Harris and Klebold used pipe bombs and propane tanks, McVeigh and Nichols used fertilizer and fuel oil.

you take away guns and you end up just creating more targets.

Killers are not going to be deterred by stricter laws, and those "no guns on premises" stickers that were just placed on that campus saved no one because they are useless.

killers will get guns, if they cant get guns theyll get knives, if not knives then box cutters, if not box cutters then they'll use 8th grade chemistry knowledge to make a bomb....

And once you've made it virtually impossible for anyone to legally purchase a firearm for personal protection who is going to save your life in those situations? the police arriving just as #32 is wasted? the campus that alerts you 2 hours after the killing starts? maybe the rentacop waving a baton? or perhaps you think if we "just catch them and get them help before they turn evil"?

you cant get everyone they psychological help they need, and remember Bundy, some people cant be fixed...

 

OUTSTANDING POST!!! I agree with everything you said........very well done!

 

I stand corrected. My rants dont always cover everything.

So, even when police are already on location they can't stop you from catching a bullet or three.

And why do we call the police in these situations? Because they have guns.

Why look to someone else to do what you could and should do for yourself?

Otherwise it's just the watchdogs chasing the wolf after half the flock is already eaten. I don't want to be lamb chops, do any of you?

 

MAD policy is what kept us from being annihilated during the Cold War...

If you believe your attack will be quickly and assuredly meet with equal or greater force you tend to be more cautious in your decision making.

Who's going to burst into a room with a grin and a gun drawn if they don't know who else might be carrying?

 

Shane, every once in a while I have to stop fucking with people (including you) and say thanks for being the voice of reason. The Brits certainly aren't helping.

Thanks.

Now back to our originally scheduled bullshit...

 

Appalachian Law School Shootings, Media Crushes The Truth

 

A principal and his gun Wayne Laugesen Joel Myrick Pearl ...

 

I'm not interested in reading a debate on this subject so I'm simply answering the original poster. And this is gonna sound cynical. Gun control is for the weak of intellect. The shootings happened on a campus where there WAS a gun ban in effect. Helped alot didn't it? And how the hell did one guy wipe out that many people without being mobbed and beat up by courageous and outraged students? One gun only kills so many people at a time. What was everyone doing, sitting in a corner scared and watching while their friends were murdered? No hero's, no tough guys? Not enough bravery to put a stop to what was happening? Hell, the folks on that plane over PA on 9-11 supposedly stormed the terrorists with no weapons at all, at the risk of crashing, which they did anyhow. It was all up on the news, they made movies out of it.

Guns don't work on their own. What makes people into killers? Maybe THAT is the thing that should be looked into. The same day the shootings happened, there was a little story in our hometown news about a guy, a well love teacher to be exact, with an excellent reputation, killed his girlfriend AND his 4 year old. BEAT THEM TO DEATH with a baseball bat. Let's outlaw baseball bats.

The police protect no one. All they ever do is come along after and try to figure out what happened. So, with all those crazys out there running around with guns, knives, baseball bats, tire irons, crossbows, swords, machetes, cast iron fire pokers, etc., etc., etc., we DAMNED well better have a plan for how we are gonna protect OURSELVES. Wishing for guns to be banned is just plain FOOLISH.

If we spent all the time we worry about guns on helping people with problems instead, maybe we wouldn't HAVE to spend so much damn time worrying about guns.