Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

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LOL well I’m sure I’m not the only one that has noticed that you are evading once again –

To repeat - what in the statistics indicates that ease of access to guns is beneficial in tackling crime and so for you to be pushing gun ownership as a means to tackling crime?

Sorry but I’ve already covered that

To repeat - I’m not totally against people owning a gun and that I just want regulation in place to lessen the possibility of guns falling into the hands of criminals and the irresponsible. That doesn’t mean I cannot ask why so many on the pro-gun lobby side seem so frightened and paranoid and seem to want to constantly sell guns through fear and the promotion of paranoia

Also come to think about it that is another question that you are refusing to answer

Sorry mate but you are definitely coming across as a bull shitter

 

“Women don’t need guns for self defense”

“All men are potential rapists and need to be taught not to rape”

-same feminists

 

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What are you going on about now?

 

I think he's saying that feminists are dumb.

 

Ya know... Everyone's deflecting, still trying to discredit, push their side with no concern for the other...

This discussion is going nowhere!

There are people who want and like firearms - for whatever their reasons (doesn't matter why).

And there are people who aren't interested in them and want to take away the right to keep and bear them from those who are.

That's the bottom line. All the "arguments" are BS.

Those who like them will fight for them. Those who hate them will fight against them. All's fair in love, war, and controversial topics! Each side sees the other's failed attempts at persuasion, as well their own. It's preaching to the choir.

If it were up to me, I'd say anyone who's never used a firearm should get with a reputable instructor, go to a range and safely work through a box of ammo at a target. Then let's talk.

Peace!

 

That's not the bottom line at all.
The bottom line is, what measures of gun control can be introduced that respect the right for law abiding citizens to responsibly own guns, while at the same time putting a dent in the high rate of gun deaths in the US and preventing the slaughter of innocent people?

 

Yes Balbus, you most likely are the only one who believes that I am pushing gun ownership as a means to tackle crime. And to help you confront and overcome your shortcomings when it comes to your comprehension of what people write, I'll ask you to direct me to the post in which I declared that gun ownership is a means to tackling crime. And when you are unable to locate such a post, consider how and why you constantly make up shit in order to misrepresent everyone you disagree with. You're such a hair trigger that way.

When I said I have a right to own a gun for home protection, your little mind went to work, and you came up with an idea. You thought that if you interpret my statement as an endorsement of the idea that ease of access to guns is beneficial in tackling crime, everyone else will misinterpret it like you did. You don't even understand how you insult the intelligence of others. So don't feel sorry for me, mate, I'm not the bullshitter here.

And there's already regulations in place. If those in the position of enforcing those regulations fail to do so, take it up with them. It makes you look cowardly when you decide to unsult law-abiding gun owners instead. For example, you asked Orison why he is so frightened and paranoid, and why he feels the need to own a gun. So I guess that, according to you, he is one of the pro-gun people who "seem so frightened and paranoid and seem to want to constantly sell guns through fear and the promotion of paranoia." I read the post that caused you to jump to that conclusion. Dude, you're paranoid, with a capital P. The only thing people walk away with from your posts is the harmless, but annoying: You're either with me, or you're the extreme character I want to paint you as!

 

It doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to equate your position with one of tackling crime though. Really.

 

this seems wholly inaccurate.

 

Okay... What then do you propose?

 

The level of sane gun regulations in the US is a joke...effective regulations don’t exist. If you think otherwise I suggest you go to a gun show or pro gun rally. Our society can not separate legitimate gun ownership from the very dangerous explosion of guns designed only to kill people because of the NRA and $ and whining of maco white men. If more assault guns were an answer to crime America would have been crime free long ago. When I see men parading arround stores and the street with weapons, I see insecure bullies.

 

You're another emotional poster who believes that semiautomatic rifles are assault weapons. Doesn't matter how often you're told that style does not equal function, you still go on pretending you haven't had it spelled out to you over and over, even though you have.

Are you unhappy with gun regulation? Then go tell someone who is responsible for that negligence instead of law-abiding gun owners. Otherwise you come across as an insecure whiner who's afraid to approach the object of your ire. Maybe you should contact your local law enforcement or Representative and ask them why there's no mandatory background checks at gun shows when there ought to be. It would probably be more productive than calling people insecure bullies.

 

deja vu

 

Require all sellers to be licensed so that background checks can be enforced in all sales. I know illegal sales would still occur but by making unlicensed sales illegal across the board, it would make it easier to enforce the restriction of private and illegal sales. No one should be allowed to buy a gun without a background check.

Create a national federal gun registry

Create a federal red flag system where psychiatrists and doctors are required by law to report anyone who they suspect could pose a physical danger to others.

3 - 5 day waiting period for gun purchases

Storage requirements for anyone who has children under 18 in the home (I'm in favor of storage requirements for ALL gun owners but I wont push my luck)

 

I don't think the shooters know the difference between style and function. That's the real problem.

 

Thanks!
Well assembled.
I added numbers to facilitate responding.

(1) I'm on board requiring all businesses selling firearms to be licenced as such. And to require all purchasers therefrom to pass a criminal and mental health background check AND a proficiency check.
However, I consider it an unfair burden to place these costly measures on private collectors. Maybe private collectors could be registered similar to a driver's license endorsement to preclude the need for repeated background checks and inter-collector trading approvals and records keeping. After all, some of us have owned firearms in excess of half a century and many of us use them regularly so I think we're safe! Maybe...

(2) No. Too much burden on us. Maybe for young males up to forty or so years of age. But that shouldn't be necessary if we meet the ownership allowance criteria.

(3) looks wise. Include the requirement for a second opinion so personal issues can be avoided.

(4) Yes, but for first time buyers and maybe two years from first buy. For collectors it's just a non-beneficial hassle.

(5) can't opine without details. We already know how to keep firearms out of the reach of small children and how to teach them to shoot and respect the tool starting about age five. Highly proficient by age ten with a deep respect for the responsibility associated with operating the tools.

 

Well, the real problem is that murderers want to kill people. Not knowing that style doesn't equal function is neither here nor there when it comes to that.

 

But what of pro-gun socialist feminists?

 

I like the addition of the mental health and proficiency check for #1.
And all your objections seem fair, I concede
Except for 2) why would it be too much of a burden?
Once we get that detail hammered out..I think we've written the first bipartisan fake gun legislation hipforums has ever produced

Oh wait I forgot to mention 5) I dont think Americans would consent to random property checks like other countries. It just wouldnt happen, I'm realistic about that. The only real course of action I see is is making it a basically unenforceable regulation, and then use education campaigns to educate families on how guns should be stored with children in the house and why it's so important, in hopes they would self enforce through education. I dunno. I dont have the details hammered out very well there. Doing random checks by law enforcement would be my number one choice but I dont think I'm being realistic.
sadly, thousands of children are shot every year in accidental shootings because they had access to guns that should have been locked away. So while you may know how to be responsible, many parents clearly dont.


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I wouldn't be so sure. I think trying to look bad ass plays a big role in motivating their crimes.