Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

How to equate murder with freedom...
Interesting. Well, I don't agree. I'll just leave it at that. You seem to read a flaw where one does not exist. You want to to parse the data in one figure while you ignore the facts in others.

You asked about the stabbings vs. firearms statistics. The data that I found suggests firearms to be a more common cause of death. As for instances not resulting in fatality, I didn't see the stats for that.

 

Sounds like you encourage people shooting people...

 

The Odessa shooter used an AR-style rifle. Seems to be the weapon of choice in mass shootings.

Seth Ator, the Odessa shooter, had a previous arrest record in 2001 for criminal trespass and evasion of arrest. He was living in a metal shed, the contents of which apparently showed evidence of mental derangement. According to the FBI, he was already upset about something when he went to work, and was then fired from his job as a trucker--hours before the shooting. Both he and his boss called the cops--an indication that it was a rather heated exchange. He seemed to be mad at society, and the rampage began when a cop pulled him over for failing to signal when turning. He just happened to have an AR-style weapon in his vehicle.

 

Yeah, here's a list of the "mass" shootings so far this year:

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2019 - Wikipedia

You should look it over. And then we'll look at them one at a time to determine the circumstances under which they occurred, and to see if they qualify as an individual killing people indiscriminately, and how many are simply double, or multiple, murders. One hundred and forty-two of them resulted in zero deaths.

 

Hmm. MeAgain just posted that there have been 297 mass shootings this year alone. So how many of these "mass" shooters used an AR-15?

 

You've provided zero reports or studies to support your claim that a pistol grip, barrel shroud, or flash suppressor makes a semiautomatic rifle more lethal. I used google to look for any instances in which these things proved to be an advantage to any murderers using an AR-15. You must know of some sources that can shed some light on this issue.

 

I think that the mentality of owning an assault weapon is faulty. I don't feel the need to out-power anyone. why should you? It's like a failure on the part of the gun owner to negotiate the issues of a society in which mass shootings are in occurrence. It's truly bad form and in poor taste.

We must have our AR-15, sand, and ATC, radios, and raised pickups in order to have a free society? I think no. I can live fully and healthily my entire life without any of that. And I'll be safer if you do too.

 

I don't know about 297 mass shootings, but AR-style weapons were used in a bunch. Besides Odessa, there was the Dayton shooting using an AR-style pistol, the El Paso shooter used a Kalishnikov-style rifle, the Pittsburgh synagogue killer used an AR-15 along with two Glocks. An AK-type was used in the California Garlic festival shootings. AndAR-15s were used in Aurora, Orlando,Parkland, Las Vegas, Sandy Hook, Texas Church, San Bernardino, Waffle House, and Roseburg, Ore. Seems like a lot to me. What weapons were involved in the other ones?

 

Texas gunman was fired from job, called FBI before shooting

 

More questions: What other countries in the world have comparable numbers of killings apart from civil war, and what weapons were used in those? Does the U.S. have a higher rate of mental illness than most other countries?

 

so, is the thinking really and truly that we have more gun deaths, more firearm violence percapita, and more mass shootings than any other country because of mental illness?

 

I did scan one past gun thread. I found nothing that supports your claim that a pistol grip, barrel shroud, or flash suppressor makes a semiautomatic rifle more lethal. So don't feel bad, I couldn't find anything either.

 

Ideally, in my opinion as well, there would be no guns. Or, better yet, those who owned guns would be totally responsible with them, and never fire on another human being. I understand the need to hunt, or at least the practice of hunting, and all of that.

It seems to me that gun owners themselves should be the ones on the spot when these mass shootings occur. They should be the ones saying, "You never use a gun like that!" Where is the responsibility, is my question.

No one holds anything over these kids who go on shooting sprees. There is no disappointment that the shooter can actually feel. There is basically no one responsible in the United States of America. We are a nation of teenagers. Even the old are dedicated to youth, and all of that nonsense.

I mean, where does it get personal? You see people crying in the media, because ten of their classmates just got shot, but you never see, "Abram Jacobs is a sick piece of shit!" (Abram being my fictional mass shooter.) You never really get to the personal level of just being abhorred by this individual, to the point where they actually might feel vilified and feel some guilt.

I find that odd. Recently I got in a car accident and I feel extremely guilty about just that. I can't imagine being a mass shooter. And yet, no one is calling these people out. Their names just live on in some kind of sick infamy. And they know it. Verily, where is the outrage?

 

Oh yes, 297 mass shootings so far this year. Just ask MeAgain. He'll tell you all about them.

It doesn't matter how many mass shooters used an AR-15. Ban them, and people will use different semiautomatic rifles, and then some people will call those rifles assault weapons because of a pistol grip or barrel shroud.

But while scanning a past thread, I did come across a post that did contain a list of the deadliest mass shootings from between 1984 and 2017 from the Los Angeles Times. They obviously researched each incident enough to be able to list the number killed and the type of gun used in each shooting.


Las Vegas: Twenty-two semi-automatic rifles (58 killed).
San Francisco UPS shooting: two pistols (3 killed).
Orange County, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
Fort Lauderdale, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
Burlington, Washington: Semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
Orlando, Florida: Sig Sauer semi-automatic rifle and pistol (49 killed).
San Bernardino, California: Two semi-automatic rifles and two pistols (14 killed.
Colorado Springs, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle (3 killed).
Umpqua Community College: Five pistols (9 killed.
Chattanooga, Tennessee: Semi-automatic rifle, pistol, and shotgun (5 killed).
Charleston, South Carolina: Pistol (9 killed).
Isla Vista, California: Three pistols and two knives (6 killed).
Fort Hood, Texas: Two pistols (3 killed).
Washington, D.C.: Shotgun and pistol (12 killed).
Santa Monica, California: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (5 killed).
Newtown, Connecticut: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (27 killed).
Brookfield, Wisconsin: Pistol (3 killed).
Minneapolis, Minnesota: Pistol (6 killed).
Oak Creek, Wisconsin: Pistol (6 killed).
Aurora, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (12 killed).
Oakland, California: Pistol (7 killed).
Seal Beach, California: Three pistols (8 killed.
Tuscon, Arizona: Pistol (6 killed).
Manchester, Connecticut: Pistol (8 killed).
Huntsville, Alabama: Pistol (3 killed).
Fort Hood, Texas: Pistol (13 killed).
Binghamton, New York: Two pistols (13 killed).
Dekalb, Illinois: One shotgun and three pistols (5 killed).
Omaho, Nebraska: Semi-automatic rifle (8 killed).
Blacksburg, Virginia: Two pistols (32 killed).
Salt Lake City, Utah: One shotgun and one pistol (5 killed).
Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania: One shotgun, one pistol, and one bolt-action rifle (5 killed).
Golita, California: Pistol (6 killed).
Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: One shotgun and two pistols (9 killed).
Meridian Mississippi: One shotgun and one semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
Wakefield, Massachusetts: Semi-automatic rifle, shotgun, and pistol (7 killed).
Honolulu, Hawaii: Pistol (7 killed).
Fort Worth, Texas: Two pistols (7 killed).
Atlanta, Georgia: Four pistols and one hammer (9 killed).
Columbine, Colorado: One semi-automatic rifle and one shotgun (13 killed).
Jonesboro, Arkansas: Three semi-automatic rifles (5 killed).
Garden City, New York: Pistol (6 killed).
San Francisco, California: Three pistols (8 killed).
Olivehurst, California: One shotgun and one .22 rifle (4 killed).
Iowa City, Iowa: Pistol (4 killed).
Killeen, Texas: Two pistols (22 killed).
Jacksonville, Florida: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (10 killed).
Stockton, California: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (5 killed).
Edmon, Oklahoma: Three pistols (14 killed).
San Ysidro, California: One pistol, one semi-automatic rifle, and one shotgun (21 killed).

 

Well, the public has been pretty much trained to blame the gun.