Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

Discussion in 'Politics' started by unfocusedanakin, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Using your own term "assault style" has no meaning. "Assault style" has no legal weight.
    Why do you keep using it?
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Who ever blamed every murder on guns?
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Here we go again. The 2nd Amendment (from the Bill of Rights) doesn't grant the right to own any type of weapon, nor does it grant the right to own any weapon to everyone.
    Right now those in a mental institution can't own a gun.
    Those residents of the U.S. who are denied gun ownership, regardless of the Bill of Rights:
    • Fugitives from justice

    • Illegal aliens

    • Unlawful users of certain drugs

    • Those committed to a mental institution

    • Those convicted of crimes punishable by imprisonment for more than one year (which generally covers felonies)

    • Those convicted of crimes of domestic violence
     
  4. Henderson

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    Ah, but you want to ban assault weapons, one of which is the AR-15 according to you. But it's a semiautomatic rifle. Are all semiautomatic guns assault weapons?

    According to Bruce H. Kobayashi and Joseph E. Olson, writing in the Stanford Law and Policy Review:

    Prior to 1989, the term "assault weapon" did not exist in the lexicon of firearms. It is a political term, developed by anti-gun publicists to expand the category of "assault rifles."

    If an assault weapon is not an assault rifle, what is an assault rifle?
     
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  5. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Is it the same thing to you? It's vastly different to me, albeit still a problem.
     
  6. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You're using that (9.11) as some kind of evidence that a problem doesn't exist. I think that you're in some kind of denial.

    You said 3,000 dead without a gun, but do you think that guns are not part of the mentality that orchestrated that entire thing? I think they are.

    You cite also a bombing. I think that's a different thing because you have to build something. You don't have to build a gun. You don't have to be a mastermind at all. You can be anyone! So... what does it mean?

    I think that guns are a very serious threat to our safety. You can't let them fall into the wrong hands, and that means to me anyone with a temper. I'm drawing the line right there. If you have a history of domestic violence, I don't care if you were 13 years old and under stress; there should be no chance of you ever owning one. No chance of you killing.

    I don't know... maybe that's dramatic, but I don't think that it would harm anything to raise the bar significantly. If families want this tradition, they need to make absolutely certain that it's clear what the difference is between hunting and reaching for your revolver...


     
  7. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Ok, so here it is again. Sometimes it's not a mastermind...

    It's like the ability to take a life in the blink of an eye. To pick one up, and pull the trigger. That's the problem.
     
  8. MeAgain

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    An AR 15 is not an assault weapon according to me, it's an assault weapon according to certain laws.

    No, all semi automatic weapons are not legally an assault weapon, you should know that if you look at the various laws that define assault weapons AND list them by name.

    Assault weapon is a legal term defined by statute. Such as California's Senate Bill 23. As all laws are political, you are correct in that regard.

    Again, do some research:
    Assault weapons are defined by local or federal laws, assault rifles are capable of automatic fire and thus are regulated under the Federal Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. I urge you to take the time to read these two.
     
  9. Andylannister

    Andylannister Digital nomad

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    I believe in a truly peaceful world people wouldn’t need to own guns, weapons or any of that sort of shit. So yes I agree that people who own a gun have a slight mental illness within them that they don’t know. We are far from a truly peaceful world but it isn’t impossible might not be their in our lifetimes but who knows, maybe in the future there will truly be peace and love. But seeing as of now with everything happening in the world and the state of regular human beings that looks 99.3589464946% impossible.
     
  10. We're not even working towards a more peaceful world at this point. Just a more self-centered one.
     
  11. Andylannister

    Andylannister Digital nomad

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    True but there are projects out there trying to make a difference like a utopia for peace and love. Still not practical as of now but once the technology and funding comes in they can put it to use. But people rather complain than take action and make a difference
     
  12. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I feel like taxation is in our future to this end.

    It's like, how the $%^# do people expect social programming to occur? :) Does it pay for itself? Do the rich pay for it for you? Neither scenario is realistic to me. I think we all have to pony up, but I hate what that does to the recreational budget for my household (1 person, lol). It means that there isn't as much money. Well... maybe it just looks like there isn't as much money.

    Taxes are a little like my car insurance; you get used to it.
     
  13. Andylannister

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    Well currency was in development years ago. Around Egyptian times. But for the 300,000+ years when we were living in nature and in caves we never had to worry about money and I believe they were mentally healthier than we are now. I know that there was still the thing about killing other tribes, finding food, raping etc. But the thing is we don’t have to have a money based economy since before this happened we were quite peaceful. Money was just a construct to control people. But we can implement a new kind of economy and provide everyone with their needs. People have come up with projects so we don’t have to deal with the money based economy that just brings, destruction, war poverty, greed, etc. It’s still in development but probably we’ll destroy the earth far sooner than we think before we can come up with a solution for everyone living on this planet. I’m still reading into it so don’t quote me on it but it seems practical and much better way of living
     
  14. Okiefreak

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    Utopia for peace and love? Is that a "project" waiting for the right technology and funding? Not in our lifetimes.
     
  15. Andylannister

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    Yea sadly we’d probably wipe ourselves out or have a dystopia in the future that can’t be reversed. Humanity’s mental health will never be cured sadly
     
  16. Henderson

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    Yes, I agree that, according to certain laws, the AR-15 is an assault weapon. But the fact is that "assault weapon" is a term made up by some misguided anti-gun rights folks who knew that they couldn't honestly call the AR-15 an assault rifle, but thought that if they call it an assault weapon, some people will mindlessly equate it to an assault rifle. And it appears that they've been successful in that respect.

    But the truth is that this alleged "assault weapon" functions like every other normal firearm. They fire only one bullet each time the trigger is pressed. Unlike automatics, they do not fire continuously for as long as the trigger is held. In the U.S., most handguns are semiautomatics, as are many long guns, including the AR-15. Some of these guns look like automatic guns, but they do not function like automatic guns.



    All of these guns fire one round each time the trigger is pulled.

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    But if that's true, what makes this semi-automatic rifle a ranch gun...

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    . . . and this semi-automatic rifle an assault weapon?

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    The answer is perception. According to a 1988 report by the Violence Policy Center, an anti-gun lobby:

    Handgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. Assault weapons ... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
     
  17. Okiefreak

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    Add Odessa, TX, to the list. At this writing one, possibly two, gun enthusiasts are driving around in a stolen U.S. Postal van shooting bullets (not arrows) at people on the interstate, and have shot several already--5 dead, 21 injured. So what else is new? This obviously calls for more thoughts and prayers. (Just in, one shooter killed by police.)
     
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  18. Henderson

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    We call them murderers.
     
  19. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    this is something that is taken very seriously and you seem to feel it's somehow not very important to distinguish between what is and isn't regulated. There is a list I posted earlier. It makes mention of weapons in the AK family and I'm sure the AR family too. There are shotguns on it. Many handguns. Probably other shit... The point is that it's proposed that all of them listed be disallowed.

    You can't just ignore the prevalence of violent crimes, fatal violent crimes that are committed with these weapons. I'll post the list again. We are taking great lengths to be specific and cover all the bases with the list! Is it all inclusive? I don't know. There may be loopholes. Let the gun lobby come forward with information we can use to make our cities and towns, our rural areas, safer all around. Tell us... what's not on the list?

    It's possible that all semi-automatic weapons are listed, but I doubt it. There are some which may be considered safer. I don't pretend to know the reasoning, nor do I care to cater to the highfalutin mentality that cares to own the questionable weaponry.

    Here is the list. Again.

    Now, I'm not just posting this list to rub it in anyway shape or form in your face. I think that there are very good reasons. They're listed in the assault weapons ban front matter. Um.. ok that's enough babbling. You could get away a semi-automatic maybe. But why would someone want to?
     
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    That's was where I was born and lived until I was 17. From Facebook it looks like the friends and family I still have there are safe.
     

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