Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

This isn't the first time I've made reference to those statistics. I've done so on other forums with other people who didn't give a fuck about victims of home invasion.

 

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MORE EVASION – can you please answer the question - what crime statistics are you basing your views on in other words explain why they supposedly back up your ideas - what evidence do you have that easy access to guns is good for tackling crime?

 

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OK so since you clearly don’t have a clue how to answer the questions I’ve posed and where too lazy to read other posts in the thread I’ll repost something here I posted earlier

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Does easy access to guns make people feel safer or more fearful, does ease of access to guns reduce crime?

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OK here is something I posted a few years back

the general crime figures for the US are roughly the same as many other nations the only really big anomaly is gun related deaths.


Even taking out gun related homicides from the general homicide rate gives a figure for the US that is roughly the same as these European nations (1.2).

Now it is very difficult comparing crime figures form differing countries due to both legal differences and statistical recording methods. For example, the US do not appear to include minor assaults, intimidation,and threats within their definition of violent crime while New Zealand does and these offences comprise nearly half of all violent crime in that country (NZ MoJ). And there are problems with population density the US has a much lower population density overall than in European countries although urban areas can e similar.

But let us do a bit of a broad overview.

Police Recorded Rape Cases per 100,000 Population

US – 28.6

England and Wales -27.7

France 16.2

Germany 8.9

Cases of Robbery per 100,000 Population

US – 133

England and Wales -137

France – 181

Germany – 60

Police Recorded Cases burglary 100,000 population

US – 715

England and Wales - 986

France – 513

Germany - 456

Police Recorded Vehicle Theft Cases per 100,000

US – 258

England and Wales - 215

France – 333

Germany – 106

Number of prisoners per 100,000

US – 716

England and Wales – 148

France – 101

Germany – 80

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It seems to me that the fear and intimidation based ideas prevalent in the US (largest number of privately owned guns, large prison population) isn’t really working very well.

It hasn’t reduced general crime in any significant way but has led to much larger numbers of gun related crimes compared with others and all the problems associated with high prison populations


Homicides by any method per 100.000

US - 2011: 5.1

Canada : 1.6

England and Wales – 0.92

France : 1.2

Germany 0.8

Luxembourg 0.8

Switzerland 0.57

 

You asked for the statistics that support my claim that people have a right to own a gun for home defense. After I show them to you, you hit your reset button and ask for evidence that supports my claim that people have a right to own a gun for home defense.

 

Um, that does not explain why you believe that the victims of home invasion have no right to own a gun for their own defense. Is there a reason you're not addressing that?

 

You still don't know the difference between style and function. An authority figure tells you that style creates function, and you simply nod, even though it doesn't.

 

I know. We'll probably never reach common ground on this issue. It's because I'm a tool person, and these are part of my toolkit. People who don't use tools, especially complex ones, are not in a position to comprehend their usage. But it's easy to jump on a narrative and easy to jump to conclusions - and that's a hard thing to admit to falling for.

So, you sidestepped the question, but in doing so answered it. You never even tried to but a firearm. One point is you have no experience for how "easy" it is. Go back and watch the movie posted for an account of one gal's experience. Another is that firearms are tools. You probably don't have or think you need an air compressor, vacuum pump, arc welder, oxyacetylene torch, air impact wrench, radial arm saw, shaper, ... I've barely scratched the surface of the tools I own and use! You probably couldn't give a shit if any of those were to be banned. Everything has a purpose. If a tool is abused to cause harm our death to another, does that act negate its intended use? Not understanding is not an excuse. Either gain understanding or leave the discussion to those who are knowledgeable. I say that respectfully, not as a "diss". Peace!

 

Gee, that reminds me very little of the time I told someone in this thread that style does not create function when it comes to guns.

So we're still left with an authority figure telling you that style creates function, even though it doesn't, and you simply nodding.

 

(I know you weren't addressing me, but...)

Ah, because most mass shootings occur in "gun-free zones"????.

Do we need statistics to prove that, or is the anecdotal evidence sufficient for conclusion?

 

You appear to be making the assumption that the victims 1) have a brain and some physical agility, and 2) that they're not too lazy or brainwashed to put in the time and effort to learn to use it safely and efficiently.

Otherwise, just "having" one means another item to be stolen in the robbery.

 

You appear to be making the assumption that victims have no brain or physical agility and that they're too lazy and brainwashed to put in the time and effort to learn to use it.

 

Try again.

 

So you're not making that assumption?

 

Not in the least.

 

I know you think you're doing a swell job making me look ignorant and stupid but you're really just making yourself look like presumptuous and dishonest.

Yes I use tools. Why do you assume I dont, because I'm a woman? That's pretty fucking rude of you.

And I know that you're just as aware as I am that ordinary shed tools are not used as murder weapons anywhere near the rate that guns are. You know this yet you continue to push this narrative. You are not scoring points by being dishonest.

Go on, post the rate of murder by screwdriver and murder by gun. A side by side comparison.

No I have not bought a gun but my partner owns a gun. He bought it with no waiting period after a quick background check. I'm in favor of waiting periods for the specific reason that I think it would cut down on the number of people who buy guns on impulse for suicides, the suicide by gun rate is staggering and doesnt get the attention it deserves.
But that's beside the point. My partner has no violent history, no criminal background, no mental illness that would make it dangerous for him to own a gun. So I'm fine with the ease in which he obtained it.
I'm also fine with his reasoning for owning a gun - target shooting. Neither of us are under any illusion it could be used for home defense because we keep it locked and the ammo stored separately.
So you shouldn't have assumed I'm for a blanket ban on guns, that was an emotional response on your part.

Anyways what I'm not fine with, and what you're conveniently and dishonestly ignoring, is the fact that there are loopholes in this country that make it easy for people to obtain a gun without a background check.

I'm not anti gun. I'm actually quite reasonable on this subject. I am pro reasonable and common sense gun control. but I'm starting to see that you are quite unreasonable on this subject so I don't see that there is any point in engaging you any further on this topic.

 

Not to mention, I can't remember the last time a mass murderer invaded a school or Walmart and killed lots of people with a screwdriver or garden rake.

 

It's honestly laughable.
I gave his post a serious response but I am highly amused

 

Way to try to turn it into a man/woman thing. It's catchy, but I'm not buying, sorry. Be an offended victim if that's how you prefer to identify yourself.

It's okay to be non-tool-savvy. Doesn't matter which of the two genders you are, the vast majority of all people are not tool-savvy. It doesn't weigh on if you're a good person, it just means you aren't qualified to discuss the intricacies of their use.

 

I don't think that's a characteristic of her though.

And guns are stupid.