Because what I really hear when people are just stubbornly against ANY kind of gun control is that their right to bear arms overrides the right for people to live. Statistically speaking I'm quite sure most everyone in the US runs more of a risk of being killed by firearm over being killed by a bear.
Death Rates in the U.S. (note, these are all from recent years, mostly from 2007) Heart disease: 616,067 Cancer: 562,875 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 135,952 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 127,924 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 123,706 Alzheimer's disease: 74,632 Diabetes: 71,382 Influenza and Pneumonia: 52,717 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 46,448 Motor Vehicle Accidents: 40,000 Septicemia: 34,828 Suicide: 30,000 Poisoning: 22,700 Falls: 21,600 Murder: 16,929 Drowning: 4,000 Boating: 339 Horseback riding: 200 Hypothermia: 187 Lightning: 90 Bee sting: 55 Dogs: 30 Snake bite: 5 Bear attack (average over 20 years in the U.S): 1.3 ~ From the CDC 181 people have been killed in the U.S. in bear attacks, including polar bear, since 1784. In 1790 there were 3,929,214 people in the U.S., in 2017 323,148,586. I think the odds of being killed by a bear a pretty low. In addition a gun would have been useless in many of the attacks: Twenty six of the above fatal attacks were caged bears, twelve were hunters with guns, another fired his rifle to no avail, twelve others, including bear hunters, shot the bears but it didn't do any good. You're more likely to die from a bee sting.
I was never talking about actual bears. It was an analogy about going about my life, minding my business, and the chance that I'd become a victim of violent crime. It's about knowing how I can protect/defend myself so that I can better pursue my life and my happiness. It's about being prepared vs. paranoid. Nobody wants to live in fear. If you have a plan then you don't have to.
Oh good,. I was confused because there really arent a ton of bears in metro atlanta lol. But that's the thing No one should have to carry a gun around with them 24/7 in order to not live in fear. I dont like guns and I dont want to do that, and I also cant because I have a child and cant have a loaded gun around him. A locked, unloaded gun wouldnt do me any good. We should take steps to minimize the gun violence in our country, rather than continue on with this crazy mentality that we all just need guns to defend ourselves against..guns. like the wild wild west (cue Will Smith) And I'm not saying *you* shouldn't have a gun aeri, I'm just saying there are steps the US could take to minimize the danger of guns falling into the wrong hands and yet..nothing is ever done and nothing ever changes and I'll just continue to live in fear of being gunned down everytime I'm in a crowded place. But I dont think that's any way to live.
Paranoia has been taken to new heights. Being are afraid that an illegal will take their job That blacks will kill me. Man, if I walked around thinking everyone was out to get me, I'd move off the grid.
It's a sad state of affairs. Being an old hippie type person, I can remember trusting just about anyone. We thumbed, picked up hitchhikers, partied with strangers, crashed in people's houses we didn't even know, thought nothing of driving halfway across the country to attend a rock concert we heard about through the grapevine, bought dope, sold dope, etc......never carried a gun. My wife would think nothing of jumping in a car with a bunch of guys she didn't know to party and ride around. We've lost all that.
Totally agree. When I was kid my parents would give me a quarter, and my friend, and I would ride the bus everywhere. I am sixty five , and have been a crime victim one time. Somebody strong armed $10 from me when I was twelve. Guess if I'd had an AK47 I would be $10 richer. I was raised in East Los Angeles, and had Mexican, Chinese, and Italian friends. The only time I was ever attacked was by a white kid who thru a rock which hit me in the head.
They sure are and like guns there is really no need for one. I EMOTIONALLY wish to have something that endangers other people since I like it. It's like guns in that way. We can agree on that.
We will just have to agree to disagree. I know you think you said a lot here but all you did as far as I am concerned is confirm what I said. IE needing guns for protection and fear If you look through this thread and others you will see my gun background discussed. I know I know enough to know what the world really is and the true motives of the gun owner. I've sat in on militia meetings for example. The kind where we discuss how we are gonna get Obama. The guy who took me there gets out of prison next year for a choice he made out of fear with a gun.
That (in a nutshell ) is peoples problem with you ! everyone's argument is Irrelevant ,everyone's fears ,thoughts , concerns are wrong and based on stupid shit ! But here comes Balbus like a shining beacon of truth wading through peoples idiocy with the TRUTH ! well it doesn't work that way !! You dont live with these people and you dont know them all you know is YOU and every fucker else is wrong !! That's why I (for one ) cant be arsed with you Don't need or want a reply from you just explaining why I " hide in the toilet " when your around
He doesn't think people's arguments are irrelevant, he demonstrates why they are irrational and expects a counter argument, is all. The trouble is most people don't want to go that deep. They're happy with the person they are and the views the hold, and don't care why they have come to hold those views. I used to see things a lot more like Balbus does, I guess, and my best friend taught me to be that way. If I find someone shows me my opinions have been formed erroneously, I don't mind altering them. Balbus, I do question why you think there's any point holding people to that standard of self-reflection, when it's something people either want to do, or don't. You can't force people to do it without damaging your cause(s).
the security that comes from owning a gun, just factually isn't there. so you have to ask yourself what can you do with it that would be worth buying one? the only thing you can do with one is make raggidy holes in things, be they people, other life forms, inert targets, or what have you. maybe you like the technology of them. to each their own. but the argument that says everyone should have or be able to have one, is full of the kind of holes that are the only thing you can make with one.