Groundbreaking psychedellic rock band?

Lucifer Sam, what you did was make a short list of who came first, the fist psycedelic band does not mean they influenced every one who came after !!
The topic is groundbraking bands not oldest bands !!

 

i'm surprised no one has mention Genesis, yes or hawkwind, thoughts?

 

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What about the Beach Boys? Pet Sounds was probably the mosty influential album of that time.

 

yep even infuenced the beatles to come up with sgt. pepper

 

Lets be fair, this topic is about 'whats your favourite psychadelic band'

 

Yes clearly their 5 first album are partially psychedelic ... so they're in the top of the list...
Everybody knows them as hard rocker but it's quite false...until 73 they were a psychedelic-hard-blues-folk quartet...

 

First and foremost The Grateful Dead (played at some of Kesey's acid tests)
Big brother and the Holding company
Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade
Oysterhead
Hendrix
Phish (before the first breakup)


In my humble OPINION (not trying to start an argument) I think the Beatles and Pink Floyd are two of the most overrated bands of all time, does anybody else agree with me or have any well thought out opposition? I would never consider the Beatles to be Psychadelic rock, they started out as candy pop and when Psychadelic Rock started to become popular they just conformed to a niche. Pink Floyd is on the surface, psychadelic compositions, however they kept the same basic format throughout thier career, without meaningful innovation, they became stale, and as Syd got worse and worse, so did the band....

 

I agree that Pink Floyd got worse as time moved on, but you obviously don't know much about the history of the band. Syd was only on the first album and wrote one song on the second album. In my oppinion, however, the music didn't start getting bad until the Wall (the 12th album they released) when Roger Waters really began to gain more control over the band's sound. The Wall is about half good music and half garbage and nearly everything they came out with after that is garbage.

 

I can't think the same ...Imagine if the Pink Floyd has a different story... as an underground band... your opinion bout them will be i'm sure of it...different... you will be happy to discover this superbe unknow band... but well the story make them popular...
I think in fact that it's incredible that the Pink Floyd survive to the mental death of their leader... most of other bands will break -up or made 2 or 3 more albums without soul and interest ... the Pink Floyd survive and with quality...
Then it's everyone's choice to like better the Floyd With or Without Syd...
But the Floyd were always good...often very good and inspired ...
The only critic i can say 'bout 'them it's the long wait between 2 albums ...
feb 73 then oct.75 then 77 then late 79 .... it's too long specially in the 70's.

They've got maybe an excuse with their eternal tours...but i always imagine that 1 or 2 more Pink Floyd album should exist...in fact their popularity probably stole them their time to record more albums...

In fact i think the same as you just for "the final cut" (83) that i give a 4/10
And "Momentary Lapse of Reason" (87) that i give 2/10
"Division Bell" is quite good 6/10... but all this is just personal

'bout the Beatle:
And you seems to forget that the Beatles don't followed the psychedelic movement... they were Avant -Garde!... It's easy to prove ... look at the dates!!...
In mid 66 Revolver was released and often considered as the first psychedelic album maybe with the Byrds "5th Dimension" released in mid 66 too

Other album prepare the movement:
Pet Sound(apr.66)- The Beach Boys
Rubber Soul(dec.65)- The Beatles
Aftermath(apr.66)- The Rolling Stones
etc...

The Jefferson Airplane were not far behind when they released their 1st album in september 66...

 

sourdiesel- your right, I don't know alot about Floyd, i've never really cared for them enough to get into it I guess, that's interesting..........I guess I was under the impression that Syd was there for alot longer than that.

Kasabian- I dont think thier popularity has anything to do with my aversion to them........I just dont dig it I guess. Your right though, it's definitely an accomplishment that they stayed together after Syd lost it. I'm not going to comment on the Beatles.............thier is alot of debate here from both schools of thought.

 

Pet Sounds and Aftermath didn't prepare for the psychedelic movement, and neither did the first Jefferson Airplane Album (it was just a folk-rock album).

 

id have to go with some German bands like Amon Duul and Ash Ra Tempel on this one, helped by Timothy Leary to perfectly show an "acid bad trip" in music, Ash Ra Tempel is one of the greats

 

How can you not consider the first band(s) to create psychedelic rock to be "groundbreaking?" Isn't that the whole idea? How can you really be groundbreaking when you're not doing anything new? Sure, post-'66 psych is great, but it's not necessarily groundbreaking. I love The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, for example, but I wouldn't call is "groundbreaking." It really wasn't anything new for the time; it's great, but nothing really earth-shattering.

And your logic is certainly flawed as well. Since when does groundbreaking mean that a band has "influenced every one who came after?" Can't you be groundbreaking and not influence a damn person?

 

actually man, the piper was very different, maybe not their "gnome song" and "lucifer sam" but interstellar overdrive , Nick's Boogie (even though its not from Piper) were very new, considering 67's Procol Harum "In Held Twas in I" (18 minutes long) was considered the first progrock masterpiece song. Interstellar Overdrive, and even other songs from Piper were something very new in the psychedelic/space rock genre.

 

syd barrett
early early pink floyd (with syd)
beatles
hendrix
funkadelic

 

I'm not gonna take sides man, but I thought Piper at the Gates of Dawn influenced phsycadellia a lot

 

No...I can't agree with anything you just said...The Beatles aren't overrated and plus, they created psychedelic rock with Rubber Soul and Revolver and after Sgt. Pepper, bands started to conform to THEIR music, not the other way around...and after '68, Pink Floyd got better, reaching a climax with the Wall , then going downhill with inner fights during the making of it. Every Pink Floyd album from Piper to The Wall is amazing.

 

Mmmhhh no no no it prepare it... You think that all became by magic... the minute before nothing...the minute after it arrive from nowhere... maybe an UFO landed ... in fact you've got a UFO approach of the musical begining of the movement...
Well at least you've got a trippy theory

Some records were essential to push further the movement ...it's was a step by step...
You're right when you said that the 1st Airplane was more folk rock... but their psychedelic sound just don't landed 6 month later ...
The psychedelic sound was burgeonin' since 65 ... And a lot of members of those bands pass the acidTest in 65...
Brian Wilson was just discoverin' Pot when he record the 2 Beach boys LP's of 1965 (very good pop rich album that a lot of people forget)... Here starded the experimentation and the richer sound of the Beach boys... then in early 66 B. Wilson try to experiment acid...while the recordin' process of Pet sounds and in 67 it was acid-speed-acid...

I know what you mean the sound is not clearly psychedelic... but the search of new sound ...a richer wall of sound with deeper lyrics ...and experimentation of some new instruments came partially from his psych. drugs experimentation

It was a real competition at that time ...every mainstream good pop/rock album often help the other bands to try more ...help them to find more territory and new way to do adventurous new music...

here's some simple exemple...it's not an deep analyse...i wrote what came directly into my mind

-Dylan influenced the Byrds
-Rubber Soul of the Beatles was reaction to Dylan, the Stone and Byrd 1st record...etc...
-Pet Sounds and Aftermath and 5th Dimension was a reaction to Rubber Soul...
Revolver was an answer to Aftermath and Pet Sounds...
-Rolling stone "between the buttons" (late 66) was an answer to "Pet Sounds" and the Kinks superb "Face to Face" lp

For sure it's not as simple as that...those album are just a little piece of a whole larger process...

Even the who with their 2nd album in late 66 was experimentin psych. seeds with tittle as "Disguises"...
All is not black or white... myself i'm something in between... there's evolution in all...

 

The early Pink Floyd were a groundbreaking psychedelic rock band,as were Jefferson Airplane.Jimi Hendrix too.The Doors,The Beatles,etc. were great but I wouldn't call them groundbreaking psychedelic rock bands.