Greta Thunberg

I'm pretty sure I learned in school that at some point the moon will eventually leave earth as in incriments it gets farther away every year. Might be wrong.

 

God has other connotations, why isn't Love enough?

 

There is no other planet with a civilisation it can crash into. I'm not being pendantic. If it would break orbit and after a lot of time crash into a planet it would be one in our solar system.
But... isn't the moon moving away a natural occurence?

Ok, I'm sorry to say because this is interesting stuff but now this thread has really gone off the rails...!

 

It is. Most people don't vocally advocate letting the species die out rather than use the resources of the solar system. This seems atheistic to me. Any reason for continuing the species, love or knowledge, is not what I was arguing with. What I mean by saying it's synonymous is that if someone thinks that love is enough reason to continue the species, they're talking about God whether they think so or not, as far as what I'm saying is concerned.

 

I was thinking the same : )

But hey, there are threads that go off into negativity or silliness.. This is all conversation prompted by the original topic. I say it's a good thing.

 

Why do you have to deflect that though? See you're potentially twisting someones ideas into something that is most notably associated and actually most commonly defined by the concept of a supernatural deity or force. I think you know that and should really contemplate why it is you need to make this leap and just cannot take love as love at face value.

 

I don't know if I think God is all the love and devotion stuff, unless that God is something we're really yet to encounter. God in the biblical sense expected love and devotion under the threat of damnation. Whatever love he showed for his creation would quickly be taken away with swift, rash decisions that decimated the earth and humans. He'd flood the earth and destroy cities if humans did not abide.

That's not love to me, that's slavery.

But I can only assume a Plural God as being biblical, as of course many of old religions believed in a pantheon of gods in which many were harmless and peaceful, something akin to "love".

But not Jehova. That dude was an ass.

 

That's exactly my point. You dont get how they work either. No one really does. Even scientists who study this sort of thing as a career have limited knowledge.
We have no idea the consequences of putting a factory that pumps out pollution would really play out for example.
Particularly on moons or planets without any real atmosphere.
But even with planets that have an atmosphere, our knowledge of what is contained in those atmospheres is very limited.
We haven't even ruled out the possibility of life on Mars.
I dont think I'm wrong for suggesting that humans exercise as much caution and forethought as possible
And I'm definitely not wrong in suggesting we take care of our issues here so there's no need to even build factories on other planet .
It's just such a ridiculous notion to me anyways, I dont want to argue about it anymore

 

Anyone expecting me to get around Proxima Centauri B without a pod racer is buggin.

 

Since all that stuff is all those thousands light years away, who's to say it's even there anymore?

If you're looking at the stars thinking about space exploration, are you really looking into the future or are you realistically looking at the past?

 

That could happen to the crew that leaves the planet too
I agree with the rest of your post

 

Do you guys think we would do a Noah's ark thing when we leave for space?
Because I think that's why this is all a bit distasteful to me. We're in the middle of a mass extinction that is primarily driven by humans, and we're still mostly only concerned with the survival of the human species.
If other species die out, I just really dont see it as a big deal if the human species goes extinct too. My will to survive just diesnt extend to space.
Plus, muscle atrophy. All the hours I've put into squats would be wasted

 

Stars have "life cycles" which I believe are fairly predictable and very long, however your question does prompt an interesting dilemma regarding habitable planets and moons. They very well may not exist anymore or their ecosystem could have dramatically changed by the time we see them and traverse the cosmos to go colonize them.

 

In the epic of Gilgamesh, the ark was a very small subermarine that held all the DNA on computer chips. This seems much more reasonable than the traditional ark.

 

I don't know if I'm included in this but I hope not because everything I say is about treating the ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM including ALL LIFE as a precious thing. All I have ever meant is to think of the solar system as the world, and Earth as one land mass.

Of course we don't take animals to space.. The point is with fewer people on Earth the animals could have more of it back. I, for one, have zero interest in living anywhere else. I'd stay on Earth.

 

Agreed. When I say God is Love, I do not refer to the Biblocal Christian concept. I mean God ISN'T jehova, God is love.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/greta-thunberg-alberta-climate-change-swedish-1.5319889

 

Not directed at you, just speaking generally

Now that you mention it, do you think enough people would volunteer for it to put a real dent in the population anyways?
I dont really see it happening unless it did happen out of reactive necessity. And animal and plant life will have been severely affected by then.
And by that point I'm back to thinking humans would just deserve to perish with the rest of the world's species if it got that bad

Sidenote, I haven't gotten any work done today because I've put all my energy into this conversation lol. It's been a good one. See y'all on the flipside, I have to work now

 

There have been like no flies yet this spring, today was the first really warm day of spring, not once did I have to brush away a fly.


My mother still lives near where I went to primary school. When I was little, the trees in spring were full of galahs and parakeets. Walk past there last Sunday, not a single bird

Where is everything? Starting to become really obvious.

Always used to have a problem in my mothers backyard with spiders, spider holes. This year nothing

The biodiversity thing, that maybe something we have already screwed ourselves with, just hasnt really hit us yet

 

Ideally not. And it's not the main reason I want us to get into space exploitation either. If all goes well we have earth as our homebase (maybe it will forever be our only settled planet). I also want us to get into space to lessen the burden on our planet. From my pov and with the technology we are developing it is a no brainer