Government shutdown

unfocusedanakin · Jan 10, 2019

Hippies have always cared. That was the issue in the 1960's. A whole generation of young people who don't buy into the plan. They won't go to Vietnam, they are not afraid of socialism etc. That's all politcal.

NotMyRealName · Jan 10, 2019

Orison said: ↑

kinda ironic that hippies give a shit about the government ..
Click to expand...

They give a shit if their free shit is in danger of being cut off.

Meanwhile I watch an actual bitder agent, non rehearsed tell us they have stopped people from Pakistan, Romania, and lots of other countries besides Central American and Mexico.

Wait.....that can't be right.

That guy must be an idiot.

MeAgain · Jan 10, 2019

NotMyRealName said: ↑

So lets compare it to Obama's shutdown of 2013.

United States federal government shutdown of 2013 - Wikipedia

Domestic effects
Effect on federal government operations

USA.gov website shutdown on October 15

Federal employees protest the government shutdown at a rally outside of the Capitol
Main article: List of agencies affected by the United States federal government shutdown of 2013
On September 17, 2013, Office of Management and Budget Director, Sylvia M. Burwell, mandated an update for each federal agency's contingency plan that designated excepted agency operations, as required by the Antideficiency Act for a potential funding gap and shutdown. Burwell stated: "There is enough time for Congress to prevent a lapse in appropriations, and the Administration is willing to work with Congress to enact a short-term continuing resolution to fund critical Government operations and allow Congress the time to complete the full year 2014 appropriations. However, prudent management requires that agencies be prepared for the possibility of a lapse."

During the shutdown, most non-exempt government employees were furloughed. That would have put about 800,000 public employees on indefinite unpaid leave starting October 1.The White House estimated that a one-week shutdown could have cost the US economy $10 billion.[128] Key government functions, such as air traffic control, stay active under emergency funding statutes, though other related functions (such as training and support of these services) would be suspended. Some agencies and departments—such as the United States Department of Veterans Affairs and Social Security Administration—are funded by long-term or mandatory appropriations and were also largely unaffected. While veteran and military benefits are funded a year in advance, furloughed civilians had a large impact on the military and their families. Services to families on bases ranging from commissaries to family and survivor counseling were affected.Since the United States Postal Service is self-funded, it was unaffected and continued normal operations.The United States Merchant Marine Academy was closed for operations during the shutdown massively impacting the curriculum and schedule.

On October 5, the House unanimously passed a bill that would provide back pay to all furloughed federal employees after the shutdown is resolved, and Obama stated that he would sign the bill into law. Rep. Elijah Cummings said "Our hard-working public servants should not become collateral damage. This is not their fault and they should not suffer as a result."Those responsible for the shutdown did not have to worry about their pay, however, as congressional salaries are written into permanent law.[132] A bill to revise this passed in the Senate in 2011, but was never voted on by the House of Representatives.

Internal Revenue Service delays
As a result of the shutdown, the IRS's processing of returns and issuing of refunds were expected to be delayed by one week in January 2014. Taxpayer audits were postponed by the IRS during the shutdown. However, tax returns due on October 15 remained due on that deadline.Due to the 16-day federal government closure, "to allow adequate time to program and test tax processing systems", the IRS 2014 filing season, for accepting and processing 2013 individual tax returns, would start no earlier than January 28, 2014 and no later than February 4, 2014.

Effects on non-profit organizations
The 2013 ArtPrize in Michigan was affected by the shutdown due to several entries being displayed in and around the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum, part of the National Archives, which was affected in the shutdown.

The Fall 2013 Chincoteague Pony Round-up was postponed indefinitely by the ponies' caretakers, the Chincoteague Volunteer Fire Company. The ponies live on neighboring Assateague Island, inside the Chincoteague National Wildlife Refuge, which was closed during the shutdown. The Fall Round-up typically consists of vet checks, immunizations, and collection/sale of foals born since the annual Pony Penning event, which was held in July.

EarthSpan, which tracks vital details about the diseases and migrations of the peregrine falcon, was unable to conduct its yearly survey due to the shutdown of Assateague in Maryland. This created a huge hole in disease tracking and species recovery data—the first year without data since the organization began tracking in the 1970s.

Effect on businesses
Defense contractors and some manufacturers the government hired experienced disruptions as the shutdown prevented those companies from delivering goods and receiving payments for work already done.[141] United Technologies announced that if the shutdown was not resolved by October 7, it would furlough 2,000 employees at a military helicopter manufacturing subsidiary, Sikorsky Aircraft. Another 2,000 United Technologies employees would have been furloughed if the shutdown lasted beyond October 14 and an additional 1,000 if the shutdown lasted into November. Another United Technologies subsidiary, Pratt & Whitney, a manufacturer of aircraft engines, was also affected. The Sikorsky and Pratt & Whitney factories require civilian employees from the Defense Contract Management Agencyto approve their products before they can be delivered to the government. Those Defense Department employees were furloughed.[142] Similarly, Lockheed Martin announced plans to furlough 3,000 employees on October 7. Those employees work at government facilities or require government inspectors to complete their jobs. Lockheed said that the number of employees furloughed would increase if the shutdown continued.

Small businesses faced delays in receiving loans from the Small Business Administration. Many of these companies needed to turn to alternative funding sources that charged much higher interest rates. One alternative source of credit, merchant cash advances, charge interest rates of between 40% and 100%.

Since U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the agency which regulates trade and inspects cargoes, had not shut down, imports and exports continued. However, many products require approval from other agencies before they can be brought into or out of the country. With many of these regulators furloughed, importers and exporters experienced delays. For instance, furloughs at the Environmental Protection Agency resulted in a halt to all imports of pesticides to the United States. Imports of lumber and steel were also delayed as were exports of semiconductor manufacturing equipment. Airbus was unable to deliver new airplanes to the airlines JetBlue and US Airways because Federal Aviation Administration personnel who certify airplanes were furloughed.

Effect on Native Americans
Although the Bureau of Indian Affairs continued to run programs during the shutdown that were deemed essential, including firefighting and police services, it stopped financing tribal governments as well as many programs, grants, and services that provide necessary support for often-impoverished reservations. The cuts shut down programs that provide income, medical care, food, transportation, domestic violence protection, and foster care to communities, resulting in a sense of fear among many people who rely on these services. Some tribes were able to continue funding programs temporarily themselves, but others had to suspend programs immediately. For example, the Crow Tribe of Montana furloughed 364 employees, more than a third of its workforce, and suspended programs providing health care, bus services and improvements to irrigation. The Yurok tribe of Northern California, which relies almost exclusively on federal funds, furloughed 60 out of its 310 employees, closed its child care center, and cut off emergency financial assistance to the poor and elderly. The Yurok Indian Reservation had an unemployment rate exceeding 80% before the shutdown. In Minnesota, the Red Lake Band of Chippewa were supposed to receive $1 million from the Bureau of Indian Affairs to help operate their government, but were not given access to the money before the shutdown and were forced to halt all non-emergency medical procedures. The White Buffalo Calf Woman Society,a domestic violence shelter that serves the Rosebud Indian Reservation and surrounding communities in South Dakota, lost 90% of its funding due to the shutdown and was forced to turn victims away.

But you guys loved Obama so it will somehow be different now.

And he was much smarter than Trump....so.....its all good.

We made it through that stupidity, we will make it through this one too.
Click to expand...

I agree it is different now and Obama is smarter than Trump.

The Obama shutdown was because the Republican House submitted a resolution that lacked funds for The ACA. It was rejected by the Senate who sent it back with funding for the ACA. It was ignored by the Republican House. Then they snet it back to the Senate with a delay in the mandate for buying into the ACA and they deleted subsidies for Congress and Congressional staffers.
The Senate ignored that. Time ran out, money ran out, the government shutdown.

In the hours leading up to the deadline, House Republican leaders won approval, in a vote of 228 to 201, of a new plan to tie further government spending to a one-year delay in a requirement that individuals buy health insurance. The House proposal would deny federal subsidies to members of Congress, Capitol Hill staff, executive branch political appointees, White House staff, and the president and vice president, who would be forced to buy their health coverage on the Affordable Care Act’s new insurance exchanges.

But 57 minutes later, and with almost no debate, the Senate killed the House health care provisions and sent the stopgap spending bill right back, free of policy prescriptions. Earlier in the day, the Senate had taken less than 25 minutes to convene and dispose of a weekend budget proposal by the House Republicans ... The federal government was then left essentially to run out of money at midnight, the end of the fiscal year, although the president signed a measure late Monday that would allow members of the military to continue to be paid.

“You don’t get to extract a ransom for doing your job,” Mr. Obama said in the White House briefing room as the clock ticked to midnight.

Mr. Obama called House Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio, but they spoke for less than 10 minutes, without any sign of progress.
Click to expand...

The dispute was between hard line conservative Republicans and moderate Republicans over the ACA.
Ted Cruz was a major player in the shutdown.

In recent years, Republican leaders have enthusiastically blamed one another for the 2013 shutdown. In 2016, former Speaker John Boehner lashed out at Ted Cruz over his role in the 2013 shutdown...In Texas, Cruz's home state, the Dallas Morning News refuted his assertions that he bore no responsibility for the 2013 shutdown. Once again, Cruz's fellow Republicans primarily pointed their fingers at him as a proponent of using a federal shutdown as leverage in lieu of legislative support.
Click to expand...

In contrast House Speaker John Boehner and Obama opposed the shutdown.

Both President Obama and Boehner were repeatedly quoted as opposing the shutdown-as-strategy gambit in 2013, the former describing it as "entirely preventable" and the latter as "[not] some damn game." Even before the shutdown, Cruz was largely deemed instrumental in it.....
Click to expand...

But now Trump is "proud" to shutdown the government.

“You want to know something?” Mr. Trump finally said, exasperated. “I’ll tell you what: I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck.”

“I will take the mantle,” Mr. Trump went on. “I will be the one to shut it down — I’m not going to blame you for it.”
Click to expand...

President Barack Obama was opposed to the 2013 shutdown — which was triggered by the actions of the House and Senate; almost all accounts credited Ted Cruz with engineering a shutdown in 2013, an impasse considered unwelcome by Democrats and Republicans alike. ~ all quotes
Click to expand...

So, yeah, this time it's different.

Driftwood Gypsy · Jan 13, 2019

I could care less. If anything I'm an accelorationist about this kind of this. Sure let it burn.

tumbling.dice · Jan 16, 2019

This is getting ridiculous. Lincoln's statue has been removed from the Lincoln memorial because of the ongoing government shutdown.

deleted · Jan 16, 2019

unfocusedanakin said: ↑

Hippies have always cared. That was the issue in the 1960's. A whole generation of young people who don't buy into the plan. They won't go to Vietnam, they are not afraid of socialism etc. That's all politcal.
Click to expand...

not the same about giving a shit about some blokes that work for a mob, criminal organization 14 trillion in debt..

case in point. I can not collect food stamps, I can not use a food bank because I own to much..
yet I am on unemployment 354$ ever two weeks- when i made close to 2k every 2weeks, some cock suckers works for the feds makes how much a year??, lines up for food stamps and gets to collect at the food banks.. yeah I give a fuck about the government workers. NOT! They all need be fired/ 4d chess..

Log in or Sign up

Government shutdown

unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

NotMyRealName Members

MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

tumbling.dice Visitor

deleted Visitor

Share This Page

Log in or Sign up

Government shutdown

unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

NotMyRealName Members

MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

tumbling.dice Visitor

deleted Visitor

Share This Page

Useful Searches