Gov is making Organic Farming Illegal...

LMAO... so that's what happened to me? I'd better go back to planet XYZZY and let you humans destroy yourselves... bleep, bleep.

Well, you certainly have a way of analyzing things... but why be so critical? So I wasn't very informed to my original post, and I acted out of anger and frustration from it, does it make you feel better to come down on me and give me crap about my every word?
You did give me some feedback on the bill and another video to watch, and told me about the food problem and such, and I thank you... but you're also suggesting that I give up my own opinion on things and simply agree with you because you think you're better informed with everything. And so far, you keep coming back to make sure I know you're "right"...

This tactic reminds me of someone I once knew... you wouldn't happen to be a LEO? or even a Libra?

Anyway, take care... I'll go back to my planet now... I'm the only one there but it's cool, everyone knows me.

 

I do it, because you still haven't posted the link to this supposed video that you say you watched.

Instead, you just add more accusations that you offer no proof or basis for.

 

its probably this video.

Criminalize Organic Farming? EXCUSE ME?! BILLS ..

the bill is HR 875 and i find it very disturbing in its current text.

in particular this definition,

 

It was just a news video...just go there and type Illegal Organic Farming, and choose one from the list.

I told you, I don't know how to post links other than typing.
You seem well informed so the video most likely won't bother you...It wouldn't have bothered me either if I knew about the white house garden, or the peanut problem, as you have showed me.

 

yeah, that's the one...thanks Hilly.

 

See, that's what happens when someone who lives outside of the US thinks they know what they're talking about. Canadians, Europeans, Asians, Ozzers, they see America as a whole as a threat but they don't stop to think for a moment what kind of threats our OWN GOVERNMENT continually tries to throw at us, the citizenry. Most of us are victims of the public education system, i.e. dumb yokels who believe anything we read on the intarwebs. Fact of the matter is they are clueless to anything but what CNN and Reuters spews (or in this case, CBC). You don't live here, you don't know. A link to a House Resolution was posted. Assuming you can read, read.

So lighten the fuck up, Francis...

 

Well, if that was a final bill, passed as it is, then I would worry too if I were down there.

I can see it being challenged successfully though, at least for private farms on the simple argument that they are not selling food for consumption.

The matter of organic farms... I think you will find that there would be a variance added that the authorities will have to offer both a conventional solution as well as an organic one.

There is a provision in it for variances being offered if alternative methods or procedures can be supported.

I did notice something though that I find more disturbing then the basic bill. The fact that it applies to food being produced for consumption in the US. Does this mean that they will allow 'substandard' (by their measurements) to be produced if its being shipped to other countries?

 

They will as soon as your leadership changes your laws to accept it.

And I don't give a damn if it's only a resolution, the fact that our government would CONSIDER telling farmers that they cannot grow organically is OPPRESSIVE. They are obviously not interested in the freedom, health and welfare of the average citizen. Most of Europe has banned irradiated and engineered produce. They want to force us to NOT grow produce naturally?

And you don't see this? Would you have a problem if you were forced to live on land that was once a nuclear waste cooling pond in Kitchener? It's basically the same thing.

 

OK something is not right here. Tom I just looked at your site. You've set up an off grid homestead and you think it's OK that the US government ban small organic farming operations. Or you don't believe that they would even after reading the text of a House Resolution stating such.

 

Where did I say it would be okay for them to ban organic farming?

What I said in the beginning, was for the OP to offer a link to the video they claim they got this from. It never happened until HHB posted it.

Then I said, after reading it, that yes it would bother me if I was down there.

Apparently, you have a comprehension issue. I feel for you, must make life hard...

 

I feel for you. If you don't speak up against garbage like this, you'll likely be next.

 

From what I have read this bill only affects people who sell their produce, if your produces is only for personal use than this bill doesn't apply to you. However, I don't like how this bill will affect the small private farmer, they will be forced to play $1 million if they deny a random search from authorities. Such an high price tag for privacy will ruin many small farms in the US. Hopefully this bill will not pass. Btw Obama didn't author this bill.

 

nowhere in the bill does it make a distinction..
where have you read this? lemme guess MSM??

heres the bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875

show me where it says that.

the fact is it doesnt clarify if its only produce sold or not,nor does it clarify what a farm/"production facility" is.

BTW, presidents dont author bills..

 

It doesn't in anyway limit it to commercial operations, although it does mention it being about food produced for consumption in the US. That very well could apply to both private and commercial operations.

As for who it 'belongs' to.

Sponsor : Rep. Rosa DeLauro [D-CT]

Co-sponsors : Rep. Timothy Ryan [D-OH]
Rep. Gwen Moore [D-WI]
Rep. Fortney Stark [D-CA]
Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA]
Rep. Timothy Bishop [D-NY]
Rep. André Carson [D-IN]
Rep. Joe Courtney [D-CT]
Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D-NY]
Rep. Mark Schauer [D-MI]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. John Tierney [D-MA]
Rep. Betty McCollum [D-MN]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA]
Rep. Chellie Pingree [D-ME]
Rep. John Hall [D-NY]
Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D-NY]
Rep. Louise Slaughter [D-NY]
Rep. Eliot Engel [D-NY]
Rep. Nita Lowey [D-NY]
Rep. Janice Schakowsky [D-IL]
Del. Eleanor Norton [D-DC]
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL]
Rep. Robert Wexler [D-FL]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA]
Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D-OH]
Rep. Kathy Castor [D-FL]
Rep. Mazie Hirono [D-HI]
Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH]
Rep. Anna Eshoo [D-CA]
Rep. Eddie Johnson [D-TX]
Rep. Diana DeGette [D-CO]
Rep. Shelley Berkley [D-NV]
Rep. Linda Sánchez [D-CA]
Rep. James McDermott [D-WA]
Rep. Christopher Murphy [D-CT]
Rep. Sanford Bishop [D-GA]
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords [D-AZ]
Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR]

Maybe I read that wrong, but it sure seems like it is a Democratic bill...

 

If you look on the Open for Questions page of the whitehouse;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/OpenForQuestions/

You will see a ton of questions that relate directly to this issue. What this means I can't really say, I would hope they answer those questions.

If you look under the Agenda it says;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/rural/

Encourage Organic and Local Agriculture: Help organic farmers afford to certify their crops and reform crop insurance to not penalize organic farmers. Promote regional food systems.

 

they can say whatever they want. until the bill reflects that they can spin it however they want but it doesnt make it true.

i trust what the government says is their intent about as far as i can shit a turd.The actual legislation i take literal and this bill as written is wide open for abuse.

 

How many bills are introduced that go absolutely nowhere?

As this bill has only begun the process, which in this case means being forwarded to the House Agriculture for review so far, I don't take it to mean much... yet.

However, for those concerned, following the links leads you to this page which lists the members who are involved in the review.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=HSAG

If you want to do something, flood them with email, snail mail and phone calls about it.

Considering the Obama Administrations public stance on organic farming and such, I don't see this bill ever making it to law.

 

oh i know its in limbo at the moment,i also know that this administration has already proved they cant be trusted when it comes to disclosure of legislation tho.

as i and others have said,dont panic but it bears watching..

this is about control over food more than it is about banning organic farming IMO.this is along the lines of the NAIS. just another way to butt into your lives and dictate to you how and what you can do.

as someone who grows all their own food i have serious issues with the thought of having to register with the government in order to do so.

 

After the issue of anti-hoarding laws came up, it didn't take long to realize none of this much matters anyway.

An emergency is declared, and they can by law now (in both Canada and the US), come in, and confiscate any food stuffs over the amount they decide is enough for you to have.

That isn't a pending law, or something that they may have power to do one day. They have it now, and have had it (in the US anyway) since at least 1918.

We all know what will happen when that comes, no matter which side you may or may not support in this.

 

thats what old freezers,5 gallon buckets,pvc pipe and a host of other things buried in the ground are good for. they can only confiscate what they can find. so use your imagination and plan for that what if scenario..

thats another reason why goats are a great animal to raise as well. take them up into the middle of nowhere and tie them out,leave your herd dog there for predators and they can survive just fine..