God

The Church USED to believed this. The Bible never stated it. It was something they made up. If it's not in the Bible, the Christian belief is not accountable for it. And evolution's a theory, NOT a law.

OH, Really??

Gen 3:1-15

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.


Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?"

So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?"

Then the man said,"The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

And the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"

The woman said,"The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

So the LORD God said to the serpent:

"Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel."
NKJV

This makes it obvious that, before this, the snake DIDN'T crawl on it's belly.

eh-heh, internet? Man, do you ever watch the news? THE ARC WAS FOUND! They talked about all over the news! And also in a bunch of history/science magazines. Not atheist ones, nor christian ones. Secondary
sources stated this!

Are you kidding me? do you know that the old testament, which was written , like, 2000 BC, all points out to Jesus?? They called him the Messiah, and Jesus fulfilled this.
Among the many Prophecies, were these:
Israel became a nation and that
Babylon will be rebuilt

More on fulfilled Bible Prophecies, incase you're interested:
http://www.geocities.com/dballagh/proof.html
http://www.matthewmcgee.org/prophesy.html
http://www.100prophecies.org/page1.htm

When did I claim proof for God? I said there's proof for the Bible's accuracy.
Some random sites to do with this topic (historical and scientific):
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/scibible.htm
http://www.theicog.org/proof_of_the_bible.htm

The point is that we're supposed to be sinless.

It's neutral because I wasn't forcing the person to choose a certain belief.
I said the 'everything but christianity true' part because you only pointed out that the christian God was not real, you were quiet about every other God. Yeah, the ten comandments they knew, but that was about it.[/QUOTE]

You offend another religion, that's what. No one minds as long as it's in the
right forum. Because whoever goes into your forum will have to deal with it.
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You kept on calling our God a 'false god' as if it was a law. Doing the best you could to prevent him. It's his choice. And why were you only bashing Christianity? You didn't talk about other Gods.

You don't get it. If you're gonna bitch about other people's religion, do it where it's called for (it wasn't, in this case). It's not a law, but it prevents strife. Go ahead, continue, if you wish to get into flame wars all the time.

Yeah. With bashing.

We've come far off the main topic, if he's got any questions, he should ask for info on them in the right forum. He's heard two sides, and there are many more. Let him choose, and let's NOT kick any other philosophy out for 'winning' over him, I started with a harmeless comment, and you bash just because you disagreed with it. Thanks for the flame war. Now let's get back on topic.

 

You ignored me commenting: " I'm not here to convert him"

AND I'M NOT! I was just stating an oppinion.

 

I AGREE.

 

I fail to see the ignorance in that comment. You want to get in a flame war too, ne?
Guess what?
It's not happening! And I'm sick and tired of arguing. And I think mr.Mui here is too.
And why is everybody claiming I'm trying to convert him?? It's his faith, he can choose what he wishes. And I'm sorry if it sounded like I'm trying too...wherever you got that from...

See, If one doesn't bash they can spare alot of debate...

I hate bashing.

 

Whats up with these arguments anyway?
Seriously, who cares if she does or does not try to convert him. So according to you, she is not "allowed" to tell him about God and it is totally premissible to speak about Siddharta?
Did she call Siddharta, evil and a fake buddha as you called God evil and fake? No she did not!
Did she scorn you or anybody here in the thread as you did?
No she did not!

Mui, look at your self for a while and revise your own words before jumping on others.

Claudia, you are wasting time by trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.

For surely it is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts which are in the breasts.[Quran 22.046]

 

So when are you going to start growing? Last time I read one of your posts on the topic of faith, you felt the need to show ignorance and arrogance by stating that everyone was wrong.


Furthermore, the comparison between followers of Christ's word, and the blood stained hands of our forefather's, "Christianity," is pointless. While the crusades, inquisition, and witch hunts are a crucial part of history, the term, "Persecuted for the sins of their fathers", is a little too cliche, yet fits nicely as a description of your (and many others) rebuttal.

It is quite amusing how many characters here in this specific forum claim they found peace in eastern religions (which most practice tolerance and general respect) yet, will not bridle their tongue when it comes to the onslaught of believers in Christ.

You say that our faith is blind and inaccurate, but apparently yours must be as well since you cannot seem to practice the love it preaches.

 

I have found, from personal experience, that how one feels about the present state of their life has as much to do with expectations, as with actual circumstances. What I mean is that there are so many external factors that shapes our expectations, such as, {i} how we see other persons interact, {ii} how relationships are portrayed by movies, books etc. These factors sometimes causes us to subconsciously form unrealistic expectation of our own life. For example; one may admire a particular individual who is outgoing, popular, witty etc., and subconsciously determine that this is how our life should be. Without thinking we spend our time and energy unsuccessfully trying to emulate this individual. The more we fail to achieve this the more we fall into a state of dissatisfaction with our own life.
I am no implying that this is your situation sodabandito, I am just speaking generally. And I think we need to first need to do is a unbiased evaluation of our expectations and circumstance and determine compatable they are.

 

No offense, but that's the last place I'd recommend for learning about Christianity. Too much bickering. Kind of like this thread.

Anyways, I agree with statchmo, happiness comes from within. It doesn't really matter what's happening to you, it's you're reaction and perception of it that counts. Two people can be dirt poor and one will see it as tragic and horrible, that they've been cheated, wronged, etc...while the other person may see it as being quite alright, because he's still alive, has a simple life, whatever. Psychologists agree. I don't remember the exact terms, but I'll use externalist and internalist. Externalists feel reality is happening TO them, internalists feel they make their own reality, and they tend to be happier because they feel empowered. It takes a shift in perception, in consciousness, to get there. Maybe meditation would help, most if not all religions employ meditation in some form, and our un-spiritual science at least concedes that it is relaxing and can improve one's outlook. It certainly is a good method for self discovery, and you know what they say, "knowing is half the battle." How can you change anything without knowing what to change?

 

The Galaxy Song
Monty Python
.
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
It's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
Round a sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
.
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
.
Sung by Eric Idle in "The Meaning of Life"​

 

Why is it that when Christains defend their faith, they are being closed minded and ignorant, but when other of non-Juedeo-Christain/Islamic faiths are being paitent?

 

How'd you know my name?!

And that's A good quote from the Quaran...

 

Through ICQ
ryupower makes me remember my favorite video game when I was small.
I really loved that, I used to play SF2 until my eyes hurted and my thumbs had bruises. Albeit, there is no point in arguing with an irrational person unless you want a headache.

 

Lol. That ICQ user was YOU?!

heh. I wanted to accept, but there was another message waiting...

Of coarse I only noticed your name after I clicked the 'next message' button..

 

Is it really wise to promote a book you haven't even read through? What if half way through you come across something which is not acceptable to you?
Can a book show you the truth? Ah..if only it were that simple!

 

i refuse to revise my words to make christians less offended... i will say my opinions exactly how I mean them and I do not regret saying anything.
I think christians believe in a false god (every theistic religion does), that is my opinion, i wasnt forcing it on anyone or trying to start a flame war... you can even look at my first post, i said "if you are christian than well whatever"
I wasnt trying to offend christians I was giving my opinions which I guess inherently offends christians... and if that is so, than so be it... i dun really care.

and dont think for a second my opinions shouldnt have went in this post... philosophy & religion is open for all opinions and any religious or nonreligious background.

 

I think christians lie about God, but believe in the true God. Lot's of times preachers will select verses from the bible to support their lies about God and throw in a smattering of truth (just enough to hook you).

Just the other day I went to a Jehovah's witness kingdom hall to watch this young guy speak for the first time- I was a little bit stoned at the time and the guy (in the middle of his speach) was talking about how it is evil to smoke weed, which I found hilarious (knowing that God set up the whole scenario- whether or not the preacher knows he is being used as a fool (jester/clown) for God is another story).

 

If they lie they'd disobay G-d. So if they do so infront of you while PREACHING, -they're not true christians.

 

They are just christians telling a lie in that case. Sometimes it is good to lie (have you ever heard of sarcasm?) because it is funny, however some comedy is not understood by children, so it is nice to tell them the truth as well.

 

i am very very very happy in wicca, but i believe we should all find our own path.
enjoy finding yours

 

"I am extremely alone and it makes me extremely unhappy. It causes me to be a negative conduit in my everyday life and gives me the viewpoint that the world pretty much sucks. I don't want to be this way, but I am trapped. The only way I can be useful to you is if I am free...Please lend me your hand and lead me from this prison of darkness and discontent."

Hare Krishna!

Dear Sadabandito,

It was nice to read that. From the heading (God) I have formed my personal opinion.
You are one of those few fortunate ones who get into this trap, "the divine trap" . Everybody, someday, sometime in walks of life, gets caught into this trap. You develop dislike towards all material things, you feel being alone despite being surrounded by all, you suddenly feel that you are an alien on this earth and you really do not belong here. That gives the birth to the only significant and all important quest, "Who am I?"

Sadabandito, dear, you are supposedly under that spell for which people all over the world knowingly or unknowingly wait. The best disease one can have is the disease of dislike towards all material things. Yes, the caption was rightly chosen by you. It is God alone who can find a remedy for you. The best thought towards that direction is, "As you desire, so you get." If you want Him alone with all your answers, undoubtedly you will get that alone. For that, the best mental make-up is the thought that "It's not me, it's not me - it's You , it's only You." Practising this in everything that you do will lead you to surrendering at His lotus feet.

It is good to read and know about religions but that should be only to enrich your knowledge about God and how to inch forward towards Him. Please, for dear God's sake, do not read or know about religions just to establish superiority of one religion over the other. That is absolutely nonsensical. We must not forget that all religions talk about one God only and let us have no doubts that all religions came into existence because of God. God is not for the religions. Take the best from all religions to succeed in your quest, that should be the intelligent and expedient approach.

Lords Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Nanak, Krishna....endless names, for sure do not belong to any particular community or religion. Because the religions followed them, they did not follow any religion. They belong to the mankind in general, let us benefit from their teachings.

I only hope the above helps you a little. I also hope not to get involved into any unfortunate arguements.

With love, best wishes and prayers,

Kumar.