hmm i think that's called nature. I dont think the earth is that complex, it's simple.. we just dont understand it.
youre just saying that based on your christian beliefs. its impossible to have a real conversation with you.
Who is the scientific one? You or me? I missed to whom you were referring. Sorry to disappoint, but most of the people throughout the different churches I have visited very much acted the same way both in and out of church. There are hypocrites in every church, true. And few church-goers are thoroughly aware of the doctrines they hold dear. However, to say that everyone is "bored in a church building pretending to be a good person in front of other phonies and wasting time doing no good to the world, not even the observable kind you pretend to be concerned about" is such a broad generalization, you will need to point to some numbers. Furthermore, what kind of "good in the world" would you expect? What would show, to your satisfaction, that they were not just playing "Christian"? And the truth is always healthy, but yes, sometimes it does hurt. In this instance, you have not shown your statements to be true, nor would they hurt, even if you did. No. It says that those who pray outloud in order to be seen as pious recieve nothing further for their prayers. They have already received their rewards. This says nothing about leading a church in prayer, or communal prayer. This speaks about the attitude of the heart and the reason you are praying. I do not think it mentions worship in the passage you are talking about.
Yes, I would. You know, yours is really a question of whether God, or existence, (or God's existence) is dependent on human references. Of course, I believe humans are, in our finer moments, wonderfully lovely and fascinating creatures (maybe I am a little biased towards my species), but reality would continue to exist even if all human reference ceased. Just as gravity existed long before Isaac Newton began writing about it, so would the divine continue to exist (truth and love and consciousness and creativity and so on) even if no-one knew any names for it. And yes, a tree does make a sound when it falls in the forest, regardless of who is there to hear it. Peace and Love
thats not right... "sound" is the brains perception of slight vibrations in air molecules that wil then vibrate into the ear and stimulate an action potential--so there is on;y sound when someone can hear it, otherwidse there is only vibrations
and all the squirrels and birds don't count? Look, sound is just vibrating air, has nothing really to do with the brain. Our perception of sound doesn't exist without us being there to hear the sound waves, but that's obvious. The sound waves are there no matter what.
You didn't address what I said. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
No they (divine attributes) haven't (been clearly perceived). There are such things as agnostics (people who do not yet know God because they do not clearly perceive God's divine attributes).
And the Bible clearly states that they will have no excuse when they stand before God becuase the earth is evidence of a God.
It is God's responsibility to educate and discipline God's children, even those who hide behind the words of scripture to avoid knowing God.
People should know that their is a God through the detail in the creation of the earth. Originally Posted by Autentique Let's imagine something. No bible, No teachings about religions or God ever, No churches, priests, nothing of that. Would you still believe there's a god? Unless I was somehow contacted dirrectly by God, I would still believe that there is a God based off the complexity of the earth and what's in it. God has educated many people of his words, few choose to listen and abide by his words. How do people hide behind his words to avoid knowing him?
People only know what God causes them to know. Some people "know" that eating pork is bad. Some people know that it is not. Seems silly. I only believe in God because I have been contacted directly by God. They do not. I don't know why God had me write that. Perhaps the message is for someone else who is reading the thread.
Kharakov, I could have sworn that you did not believe in a God awhile back but know it seems like you have a belief. Did something change or did you always have a belief and I missed it. I believe in God because of the special revelation of the Bible. What the Bible has to say is what we should follow. Everything we need to know is written in the Bible. "ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (II Timothy 3:16).
I wanted to say that!!! thats exactly what I told my 9th grade science teacher, she wasn't expecting it either.
You didn't miss it, God just didn't reveal it to you. There is a difference. No, you believe in God because God has taught you to believe in God. The problem is your lack of faith (in God) clouds your judgement. No it is not. You need to know God's personality by personal experience of God. Reading a book about someone does not teach you everything about them, although when you get to know God, reading the bible (or the Koran) can clarify what you have experienced of God. There are other things that are not written in the bible- such as how to suck on your mothers teat, etc. knowledge which God has created us with. Yes. However, someone who does not understand scripture and ignores rebuke (such as yourself or campbell34) does not benefit from it. Proverbs 17:10 "Rebuke is more effective for a wise man Than a hundred blows on a fool. " Against fools who reject knowledge of God's natural world because of the stupid dispute of 2 wrong sides (creationists and evolutionists): Proverbs 12:1 "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid." A further direct biblical rebuke against giving to much heed to endless genealogies (evolution) and fables (creation): 1 timothy 1:3-4 "3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. " Rebuke against your and Campbell's idle talk of the law (which neither of you understands): 1 timothy 1:6-7 "6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. " Further rebuke against your foolish dispute over evolution: Titus 3:9-11 "But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless."
From Genesis to Revelation -Hendriksen proceeds a step further to allow grapheto mean everything that was Scripture then, as well as that which would later be written. In other words it "means everything which, through the testimony of the Holy Spirit in the church, is recognized by the church as canonical, that is, authoritative."In summation graphe may refer to the Word of God accepted by the Apostle Paul, and probably by the church, at the time of the writing of 2 Timothy and also that which was expected to come later under the inspiration of God. http://www.hwhouse.com/Current%20Articles%20Downloads/Bible/biblical.htm
