God

We're not in this forum to discuss your version of christianity.

Who cares?

Go to the christain forum and argue with the rest of the ignorant, fool.

 

I agree.. you have made the thread lose all its meaning.. good work

 

All I want is for God to suck my dick. Why are you being so mean to me? Why! Why God Why!!!!!! Fuckin A. If I offend an atheist because I want God to suck my cock then that is some wierd ass athiest. I am not your run of the mill christian.... I am a dirty bastard. You know it. This thread has more TRUE meaning in it then any other thread out there, because I write the truth. Gimme some more love bitch!!!

 

The only thing offensive about you is your claim to be a human being.

All you are is anti-intellectual- deliberatley disrupting resonable threads.

Get lost, or I'll move you be banned. Don't think I'll have a problem getting a second.

 

Aight, you are offended by what comes from my heart. That shows me that you lack faith in God. You actually came in to this thread and disrupted friendly banter between me and another member with your wild accusations. I might spit shit that you can't handle, but its cuz I have a better grasp of the truth than you do. Do not be angry, instead learn true wisdom from the words I spit.

I actually thought you were enjoying our little thing until you started threatening to have me banned. I gave you credit for wisdom you do not have. I am sorry to have offended one who lacks understanding of what Love really is, although I feel pain is necessary for your spiritual development.

 

Doesn't seem that smackopelli has the power to ban you. Does she?

 

I quote from the booklet to Jethro Tull's Aqualung...

--
In the beginning Man created
God; and in the image of
Man created he him.

And Man gave unto God a multitude
of names, that he might be Lord over
all the earth when it was suited
to Man.

And on the seven millionth day
Man rested and did lean heavily
on his God and saw that it was good.

And Man formed Aqualung of the
dust of the ground, and a host of
others likened unto his kind.

And these lesser men Man did cast
into the void. And some were burned;
and some were put apart from their
kind.

And Man become the God that he had
created and with his miracles did rule
over all the earth.

But as these things did come to pass,
the Spirit that did cause Man to create
his God lived on within all Men: even
within Aqualung.

And Man saw it not.

But for Christ's sake he'd better start looking.
--

Amen.

 

Definitely an entetaining personality however. Yeah, only God can ban me.

 

the aqualung quote says aligoricly more or less what i was thinking
i think people like to think they know more then they do

there is a point that both fanatics and athiest miss
and that is the very real possibility that what if
the nontangable were totaly nonhierarchal at all?

sure there's more to everything then what we see when we look at it
and very possibly very real nontangable forces and beings
and if i go with my feelings instead of limiting my words
to thoughts i can defend intillectualy then i feel very
certain that there are.

but the thing is, well what if there really is no ligitimate
heirarchy among the nontangable.

maybe something wonderful that loves us and wishes us well
maybe powerful, unique, 'big' in some sense, but i get this
feeling that there are lots of other equaly loving and well
meaning nontangble 'people', (i call anything creative and self awaire a person), who may or may not be a lot less 'powerful', 'big', whathaveyou, but wish no harm and and may be not 'ruled over' by anyone or anything.

so this idea of a one god having created everything and all that
well even that is possible of course, but when you look at the diversity that exists, to me this suggests the work of far more then one single awareness or even natural proccess.

now the other thing. the bit about wanting to be worshipped. i think most of that is something humans came up with for their own reasons, though of course anything that exists and is awaire of its existence probably appreaciates being loved, and i don't mean to take away from that.

but the idea that it would want us to pay it some kind of extortion
however pretty smelling a language that might be expressed in
is just not consistent with any concept of something honestly loving us and wishing us well.

so i have this concept of spirit people loving us and wishing us well
but not really having anything to do with any one kind of way of worship or belief

that these are like two entirely seperate kinds of things
belief and whatever way nontangableness actualy is
that there's really no reason to expect very much of any sort
of resemblence between them

=^^=
.../\...

 

Quote Kharakov

"I am sorry to have offended one who lacks understanding of what Love really is, although I feel pain is necessary for your spiritual development."


"All I want is for God to suck my dick."

 

So... By referring to your statements, we can say that God is the "self" with in us, but then who is that thing that is actually apologizing? the one that is actually trying to ask for forgiveness, or asking for help? - Another self.

So, we can assume that "we" - the other self... are actually trying to ask for the forgiveness of the "Self", which is all forgiving, all good, all kind etc.

Therefore, God is actually the higher self with in us, but there is one thing that we assume- and that is that it is an illusion. It is actually not.

How can we say that it is not? - it is with in everyone thats why. Whether you do something or you don't do something- all that is dictated by your consciousness...

Your consciousness dictates if you are forgiven or not, your very own consciousness- the all conscious self tells you whether to do something or not-tries to guide you when you are having a difficulty and this is the same consciousness that everyone has.

How can we say that? -we are all alive, thats how.

So, basically God= Conscious self that exists in everyone, in everything, everywhere.

We are the limited selves that act while staying under the guidance of the conscious self.

consciousness is everywhere, and its proof is life. Life is everywhere, therefore consciousness is everywhere and where there is consciousness, there is growth.

So, therefore, I believe that the supreme conscious self- that exists everywhere is God, we the limited selves that exist in a limited sphere of consciousness are souls.

We act, under His guidance and He is the supreme.

 

An interjection of my opinion-

Some human minds (notably, scientific minds) cannot rely on a foundation of faith in an imaginary being for their understanding of reality. This is no mistake and a fault of none, it simply is. This does not mean these minds are less capable of knowing truth.

What is 'the truth'?

'The truth' is subjective because reality is subjective.
In light of this, I feel no need to make a definition of 'the truth'.

When you are not telling yourself what is 'the truth', you get a better idea of the nature of this concept- ‘the truth'.

Perhaps telling yourself 'the truth', actually prevents you from really finding it.

?

 

As you point out reality is subjective, so all minds, even scientific ones, rely on faith in 'something' to generate information - however far from truth that may be.


I agree one must first accept that there is little we can point to as 'truth' before we can begin to learn anything about it. Both science and religion pretend to vend truth, but neither are remotely prepared to offer it.

 

'God' whatever you choose to define that as is, in my opinion, embodied in all of life.

Perhaps God = the sum of universal consciousness.

 

Why are "God" and the "Universe" always considered two seperate entities? When you think about it, what do people usually associate with "God"; Omniescense(sp?), Omnipotence, and Omnipresence. That sounds like the "Universe" to me. You can't do stuff that defy the universe's "Laws", you can't go outside the universe!

 

Valid observation indeed. However I am not sure how much the inert stuff matters anyway. Inert stuff is well... inert. The magic of the universe appears to be tied up in life.

 

Why aren' t they two seperate entities? In the vedas and other scriptures - not just the bible, it is said that there are many parallel universes apart from this. The scientists today are discovering another parallel universe- I saw it on the science channel.. on tuesday night- it was great, watch the astronomy shows they are so cool!..

Anyway...
So there are parallel universes, and there are many other things in the world that we haven't discovered yet using the scientific method.

So, there are many things that are outside of this universe , and ofcourse God is also outside of this universe.

In the vedic literatures it is said that if the material nature is the mother, then God is the father of this creation and living beings are the products.

Living beings are everywhere and in this universe and other material universes, they are under firm control of the mother nature. The only way they will be free , is if they grow up!.

 

What are these things that are "outside" the universe? Since the universe contains everything, and IS everything. You are a part of the universe, this computer I'm using is part of the universe, the universe cannot be defined as jus an environment, since is both what we reside in, AND what we are.

 

Science is basically faith in reality.
How could this be false? -If reality is a supernatural deception?

 

MN's son

Yes. What is truth if we say our senses cannot see directly..
WHAT IS.
WHAT IS . IS that which exists if humans did not.
Our senses percieve 'a' reality.
In this forum. We take as granted that what our senses see.
And what we define reality to be by that observation.
Is directly related to WHAT IS.
[we do not live in a matrix]

If you suggest that we should seriously accept that we DO live in a matrix.
Then all bets are off.
NONE [no humans] will ever know reality. [by that position]

Both those of religion, and those of reason. And any mix of the two.
MUST agree that reality is as our senses dictate.
Reality is not a supernatural deception.
What would be the point?

THIS, is the only faith we must endure.
Beyond this.. Faith is a belief in what cannot be shown to exist.
[religion and human opinion]

You suggest that because we all must agree that perception is not an accurate transcription of WHAT IS.
Then ALL is faith.
False.

WE percieve. That is fact. Not faith.
We exist. that is FACT. Not faith.
And because we have ABSOLUTE knowing that we exist.
We can start from that FACT.
What we percieve and how we exist , we have yet to make an accurate definition of.
Yet show occam a single example of gravity not existing.
You cannot. And no-one else can.

Phenomena exist.
Are these phenomena 'fed' to us by a higher power.?
So all must be faith.

Or do we actually percieve these phenomena through our own facualties.?

Occam IS the razor of occam. There is no deception.
What we observe are our perceptions of what exists in reality.

Faith. Is desire. [ a wish for a thing to be]

Occam