God does not exist

Thank you for that. Who's a waste of time now?

 

No-one. But your leprechaun is definitely a contender. ;-)

 

Condition and existence are different terms meaning different things.

We see in our minds eye, a picture of a table, not the table

I say the body can be a prison when you find yourself alone. In fact we are never alone but identification with the body can make it appear that time and space separate. That you, being your body, are very far away indeed.

The whole defines the part but the part does not define the whole. I use my powers of distinction to tell one thing from another, not to weigh or measure in any way, goodness. I do not need this kind of judgement to organize my life. Why do you call me good, I am sure I do not have the capacity to define goodness for anyone. No worries, it's all good.

You can weigh the body but you cannot weigh the contents of the mind.

 

To exist means to come into being and condition means to speak with.

 

As compared to yours?

 

So? It can also make it appear, and keep on appearing, that being can be continuous in spacetime.

The mind is always embodied.

Already written this 'truism' off earlier in the thread.

Everything makes sense in light of everything else, and happens for a reason too, so long as one keeps reasoning it does, but good? Only by loving everyone can we come to love everything. Not even the odds of that are good! lol

Whose?

You're forgetting the noun.

I don't have a leprechaun. I'm happy to accept yours as yours. Thanks and all for wanting to share, but it might be nice if you accept yours as yours too.

 

So, can also, does not preclude what I said.

The thought comes first. You had also thought that I meant give only as compared to give away.
Let's say ten dollars is the whole. One penny does not add up to ten dollars. 9,999 pennies do not add up to ten dollars, but every penny of ten dollars, is part of ten dollars.

Love is what we are regardless of acts. Acts always follow that prime directive there is good and I must have it. Love, what you are cannot be taught, but we can remove the barriers we have erected that make that fact seem obscure.

No I am not.


con·di·tion [kən dísh'n]
n (plural con·di·tions)
1. state of repair: the particular state of repair or ability to function of an object or piece of equipment
The car is still in good condition.

2. state of health: a state of physical fitness or general health
out of condition

3. disorder: a physical disorder
4. way of being: a general state or mode of existence, especially one characterized by hardship or suffering
5. something necessary: something that must exist for something else to happen, e.g. to bring a situation about or make a contract valid
a condition of the agreement

6. status: position, rank, or social status (formal)

Yes you do have a leprechaun as we pointed out earlier. Your leprechaun is your model of good.

 

shh ... we are proving the existence of god .

shall it be with a mind-trick ? beware . it may seem
logical that all we have are words here - but there is
something else we play with also , inspiredly .

 

Bio metrics do not account for inspiration.

 

Nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of God. I personally haven't seen or experienced the slightest evidence that points to a supreme being existing. Therefore I'm an atheist. If God were to wake me up in the night and say "look, here I am and here's some magic" then fine I'd accept but I've just got this inkling that isn't going to happen..

 

when in de middle of the night god says :

thanks , i appreciate any definition of authoritative proof .

 

well he's unlikely to be carrying ID. I think if you met God, you'd know right? But since I've not had any contact with him now for 40 years on the planet, he might feel the need to convince me.. so he could get his wand out and start turning water into wine etc.

 

thedope:

No, so which identification with the body is to be 'master'? The one that can and wants to continue, or one that wants to end? Wait. I'll put it in more definite terms. Which identification with the body is truly an identification? :-D

You don't learn. The thought comes. ( Audience, he's an old god, forgive him! ;-D)

So you did mean give away. But you thought there was something profound in it because love can't be given up? lol

You really don't learn! lol Let's not say that. Let's say it's infinite ( Like I did last time, to try and show you. ) One part does add up to infinity, it can only add up to it, being a part.

No, life is what we are regardless of acts. We are loves potential. Love is an action. Rather than actively love everyone, you'd have us remove ( an act, no less ) what you imagine is stopping us from recognizing love! LOL.

How is your 'god' a motive, as opposed to a...blockage?! lol

lol, Not now that you've whipped out your dictionary. lol

Existence is condition.

Tikoo:

Nah, we're just getting more and more galactic. More and more ourselves. More human. But shhh, yes, shhh, we must be as quiet as that time before dawn, and as bright. And as loud as the dawn, as ringing and clear and long!

Haleboppya! :-D

 

the dope:

Why can't you let my model of good be a model of good? Why does it also have to be a leprechaun like yours? Are you an idiot? lol

Whose?

 

Because, "model of good", is what god looks like from inside the heart and mind of the devotee, the experiential conjugation of the word god. God is that which we invoke as good cause. This version of god can and is being substantiated as we speak. And because I assume that the statement god does not exist posted in a christianity forum, invites debate.

I am a layperson.

A cow.

 

The identification with the body I am speaking of is that the body or capacity of the body is the full or even large measure of man. An amputee so afflicted, suffers deep anguish. Amputation is an extreme example but such extremes are not necessary to produce the same effect. Consider crows feet and laugh lines.

I thought you understood there was nothing to forgive. But you need it now that you have saddled me with debt.

The thought of table came before table was constructed.

So you did mean give away. But you thought there was something profound in it because love can't be given up? lol

If you say it is infinite there are no increments to add up. Your philosophy is solipsistic. Infinite does not mean incomplete.

You have defined in this discussion, life as love and love as life.

There is no time that you are guilty of not being loving. All of our actions are inspired by the pursuit of good. The belief that anyone is guilty, or less than innocent in this regard, blinds us to true nature.

I am hoping in this instance to transcend the argument for or against god and find a way to most generously interpret the phenomena of god, in the life of mankind. In this scenario everyone can find an equal stake in it's application.

Say that without description.
Existence and condition are synonyms according to certain conjugations of both words but not all. Open your eyes and realize this is summpm ta see.

 

So not really identification with the body, but with its collapse. That's your cue to say things, or indeed everything, falls apart. But it only changes. Life has the potential, in consciousness, to hold matter to itself definitely/indefinitely.

lol I do, but the audience you are concerned for mightn't.

And a person before that thought to have thunk it.

Does life arise from its thought? Undoubtedly. But initially? To begin with? What's it to you?

Not solipsistic, just more involved than your own. You haven't factored in motion. Infinity becomes what it is. Infinity is not complete, ie, finite, or incomplete, but infinite. Your closed whole does not exist.

Regardless, you are not really a removalist. You take care of any pretence you may have of enacting the cessation of erroneous belief by showing your understanding all action to be the result of love or the call for it. We must all come to love oneanother before loving all action, if not simultaneously, owing to memory.

Yes, but while love always regards life, life need not hold love in regard. This is why there is confusion about them sharing eachother as condition. And why desire, or hunger you might say, is essential to the evolution of life. Love can sustain life, but life does not have to realize it. Its expression arrives naturally.

lol If you want to transcend the argument, why not just generously interpret the phenomena in our lives? I mean, if you're going that direction, why not just love our lives instead?! In our overall application, we couldn't care less about "equal stakes"! :-D

I don't have to, because as you say, existence needn't be described, but as I say, enjoys it. - Can you make condition, or existence mean more than I can?! LOL

Existence is condition regardless of any conjugation you may construct for it, because non-existence does not exist. :-D

I feel sometimes I paint you into lingual corners you'd prefer not to be in, because I can run rings around 'words' as you've pointed out ( not to mention "meanings" ) But we speak the same language. And we are true to ourselves.

 

Open your eyes and realize this is summpm ta see. We may liberate ourselves from many conditions, if we refuse to call upon them, refuse to speak their dynamics into existence.

Such as crime and the conditioned response to the conception of criminality.

If you abolish crime, the criminal element disappears. The act does not disappear, just our conditioned and thus far unsuccessful response to the act. If we regard untimely, uncomfortable, or brutally conceived acts as a quest for personal goodness, then we need find out what the perpetrator feels is missing from his measure of goodness and assist him in finding it.
Much criminality is not met appropriately to dissolve it's cause and leaves no option but for the criminal to attempt to hide his acts rather than bring his longing forward. He is being unjustly accused.

People say, oh no!, if you take away laws crime will run rampant.

But these people did not hear the statement, if you abolish crime.
Let him who is without blame cast the first stone.

 

thedope:

LOL What happened to the wee one? Where'd you stash him?

The natural lunch-source of the leprechaun.

lol Rumination is a sub-species of inspiration.

Until the great unbanning.

Don't pretend you're not one of'em. :-D You mustn't have heard me when I said let he who is blameless cast the last.