God does not exist

I suppose two sentences a paragraph does make. Feel free to keep it up.

 

I happen to agree with that. It's a judgment call, but Jesus becomes more supernatural the farther we get from the actual historical rabbi. When I call myself a Christian, I mean that I believe in the felt presence of a Higher Power (note the subjective qualifier "felt") and that I find in the teachings and example of Jesus a suitable role model for my life. I'm amazed at how well it works for me in dealing with situations in ways that are counter-intuitive to worldly wisdom. I have other heroes as well: the Buddha, Socrates,Zarathustra, Krishna (the last of these not even a mere human). But nobody can match Jesus for non-judgmental, unconditional, active love for society's rejects like me. In my book, that makes him a star in Plato's heaven: the Christ, the Logos--as close to divinity as we're likely to get. I'm distinguishing here between the historical rabbi and Jesus the Christ Eidos.

 

And it is my position that we are hard wired to pursue our god/good.

Regardless ones definition of god we are innately devoted to attaining our good. We inquire, is that true? In absence truth we inquire, is it acceptable?
Lacking those concerns we inquire, can I get away with it. And in the absence of any of these we inquire, my good, my good, why hast thou forsaken me.

 

I agree that most people seek to be good. However, what people fail to understand is that belief in a deity is not necessary for morality and goodness. It is rather disconcerting, in fact, when people have to rely upon a mythical figure's promise of an afterlife reward to understand that it is good to be good. Unbelievers are good for the sake of being good, rather than relying upon a message from a religious figure.

 

A simple no would have sufficed. lol

It's a free country. :-D

Nothing. I ain't the one saying spacetime can be transcended.

In what?

No, you keep your body warm because you can't survive thirty below. What happened to being in your right mind?! lol Are you waiting til you're six below or what?

No sense in joy as your highest? Call it what you like.

And? Does that make our experience anything more than its perception for its also being defined by all other contributors?

And? Does that make it more than the state of knowing?

Its 'completion'. ∞ = ∞, ∞ ≠ 1. Are you concerned? Does it make you anxious? Like you say, I am not the author of your 'grace'. I am not that ungracious! lol

Get your facts straight. Both minds and bodies join.

True enough. So where do we have to find ourselves at home not to die if not our bodies? And what was meant by "such a person may find themselves in a kill or be killed situation" ? What are you on about?

lol :-D No, but talking books do exist!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/books/story/2006/11/17/audio-bible.html?ref=rss

I wouldn't say I'm concerned. But thedope does most of the dissecting, and I alone collect the text to present our conversation as a dialogue that might be followed by others from the point of its latest entries ( though I've been a bit slack with this of late. ) It's entirely unfair. ;-D

 

I disagree that most people seek to be good. I think every one seeks to have their good. Shared being is knowledge. Having and being are the same truth.

Belief can be a symbol chosen to substitute for knowledge. There is no image of morality and goodness that depicts everyone except self preservation/extension. Emulating a model of goodness is not necessary to be good. There is no law against goodness.

To who?

Unbelievers seek their good because they feel they must have it.

 

tikoo:

:-D

 

The existence of good or of evil.

Philosophically, the definition of empirical is, derived as knowledge from experience. By definition then, we do not accept the existence of god without empirical observation.

Good and evil are not scientific terms. Good morals or bad morals are not scientific terms. Yet I have not met many who do not organize some element of their lives around these purely subjective principles.

 

when the preacher says ' let us bow our heads in prayer ' i
won't do it , yet still , there is consensus . i see the preacher
does it and doesn't see me . otherwise , i don't feel like looking
all around to find other eyes open . i am not seeking agreement .

or , maybe in other words - ' let us now please stand for
our national anthem ' . i'd prefer to sit , thank you , though
i gotta forgivingly endure these people whose asses block
my view ...

and a similar thing happens at holy-roller revival concerts when
folks impulsively stand and do that wavey highflying handsign for
receiving the holy spirit , but oh well , when i do stand up it's
time to go home .

and the hand over the heart ? sometimes in passing i'll gesture
unto that heart and then away , showing it's journey toward you .
itsa rare that would i do that though , just is , and about as rare
as me seeing
those footprints of god .

 

Think for yourself if you find yourself important.

 

Ask if you feel you need help.

 

What am I pushing dejavu?

You have you hand pushing firmly on the instant reply button.

Explorers sometimes leave home to discover what more there is.

I imagine more than a cosmic circle jerk.

 

70? You tell me. I take back my calling you a pusher if you like.

I sometimes go advanced. Make no mistake though, I will never meet your standard of infinite patience.

I'd say they always do, but they never leave their bodies to do so.

As do I. So how orgiastic are you? Can you accept that god doesn't exist for the atheists? :-D

 

Tikoo:

I'm almost sure you're going to the wrong parties Tikoo!

 

I do not exceed 55 for best fuel efficiency. I would rather know why.



I sometimes go advanced. Make no mistake though, I will never meet your standard of infinite patience.



I'd say they always do, but they never leave their bodies to do so.

I am tantric.





[/QUOTE] Can you accept that god doesn't exist for the atheists? :-D[/QUOTE]
If you can tell me there is no good for you then I will take your word for it.

 

I do not exceed 55 for best fuel efficiency. I would rather know why.

The river carries you regardless.

I am tantric.

If you can tell me there is no good for you then I will take your word for it.

 

They just don't want to listen to reason.

 

thedope:

Your having only god as good.

Which one?

Does that mean you can keep it up forever?

There is good for me, but no god. Can you bear the distinction?

 

That means simply that I do not measure goodness. I give my whole attention or value to every instant. Taking a shit is sublime.

Of life.

I do, metaphorically speaking. It is awkward to be overtly erect in some instances. In terms of manifesting my good, I am a stud.

As a practical matter I cannot make the distinction. Our common experiential conjugation is there is good and I must have it. Or I am good and I must express it. God is that which we invoke