God does not exist

some ego would see us all dead to preserve it's special designation

insane

 

No. I'm saying that consensus is pursued - relentlessly and in vain. That pursuit of consensus invariably leads to conflict, and will likely lead to human extinction. In other words, we cannot simply respectfully and peacefully disagree, at least not for any meaningful length of time. One proponent of a belief system will always attempt to impose that belief system on another belief system in an effort to achieve consensus, and the result is inevitable conflict.

The Crusades were not about reclaiming the holy land - that was the banner held for the belief system used to trick the people who would actually fight and die in these campaigns to happily do so because they would not have done so (at least not as eagerly), if the true purpose of these campaigns had been revealed to them. The same could be said for Jihad. Just one example - this scenario has been repeated again and again, with slight variations, throughout the entire history of human conflict. To argue that Atheism or Agnosticism - Logic, Reason, Science are immune to this is folly.

Ironically, it's rare that a belief system contains, as a core principle, this notion of it's own imposition. By its very nature, a belief system only catches on because it has its own inherent resonance, and therefore doesn't require promotion or imposition. No, imposition occurs as a convenient amendment, and always with a specific agenda that is unrelated to the fundamental belief itself.

 

thedope:

:-D You don't create me to the degree I create myself, that is all. Creation is a law without opposite. There are no idle thoughts. Things imagined have their physical manifestation, in the imaginer if no further. They are quantum impulses as you say.

This moment is now. You say that it transcends spacetime, but it is spacetime. It is never beyond itself, or its perception. It continues.

What level is that? Your highest could continue to be its highest in light of everyone elses. We do not die of joy. And our joy, while we may find it alone, is not without eachothers.

No, there are states we are unaware of only in not knowing them.
Knowledge is being shared through the perception of being. Our being is becoming, not complete, and defined, not limited, by focus.

No. Knowledge is not 'the facts'. It is the state of knowing them. Knowledge is knowing, the act, and nothing besides. Even without the knower, knowledge imparted to and by record lacks its completion. Everything changes - the factotum of all fact.

 

thedope:

Incurable though? It's subtler and possibly more widespread than we imagine; the notion that we have to die to attain to a higher self.

I wonder how the minority will at last show the majority its shared love! There is nothing more dangerous, and beautiful, than the visionary. :-D

 

Nah, just that there's a good chance we all know a lot less than we think we do.

 

No, I'm saying that science doesn't say one way or the other whether or not God exists. Only positivists, as opposed to scientists, say that things which are not empirically verifiable must be dismissed as nonsense. I agree with Richard Feynman that science isn't in the business of answering the "big questions"

 

Money represents a consensus. The calender represents a consensus. There is not one thing appears in our life without our agreement that it is so.

The disparity between mans good and his seeking is by vain apprehension.
That is a person will decide what is good having never seen it. If it had been seen, it wouldn't be looked for. The reason it seems forever distant is a persons insistence on what good must be, rather than discovering what it is.

Tradition trades away situational awareness for an effort to conformity but natural development is through diversity. We have organized ourselves into a blind spot.

 

A single image or thought is raw material. Thought must be cultivated to manifest beyond private reflection. Resonance or large oscillation is established through fine tuned frequency and duration. Thought must be articulated through word and deed.

The perception is it continues, the distance of the synapse. It doesn't continue, it is.

Around 145 degrees, or 45 degrees?

I don't understand.

Highest joy? How do you measure joy? Is the life of eighty years worth more than a life of ten minutes?

Your biological growth is administered by genetic information which you have no conscious hand in monitoring and it is through no level of ignorance that this occurs. Perception is a mechanism for accessing knowledge, communicating our engagement in life. Perceptions contribute to our experience, but there is far more to our experience than perception.

So you are saying if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound, nor does it fall, really.

Knowledge is complete then.

 

Not at all. Such is easily abandoned when you comprehend that it's precept is to have you dead.

Is that like knowledge being incomplete?

Visionaries are harmless if you look the other way. They already know it, but feel undeserving.

I once had an ecstatic mystical experience. I had been concerned about the state of loved ones because they themselves showed consternation over their affairs but I came upon them all in a vision and they were watching wheel of fortune on television. They all looked at me smiling with enjoyment over their program and I felt as though they were all waiting for me, to quit throwing a fit.

We are all enlightened.

 

I agree in the possibility that a historical figure named Jesus might have existed, but there is no evidence that he was the divine son of god rather than a mere human man.

 

A life insurance salesman would say our death.

 

thedope:

It doesn't continue to be? Gimme a break.

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You're conflating an intensity of heat with an intensity of feeling?! lol

It doesn't matter.

Yes. Exactly. No.

What?

No. When do we ever stop knowing what is known to us?

No, not even in its being no more than the ongoing state of knowing.

I agree that it is not incurable. But are you suggesting it resides in us all?

lol

:-D And had you been throwing a fit?

It's quite a catch-cry. You know I think we all could be. Until we make certain we all feel so, do you mind if I reserve judgement?

 

Is that different from homo sapiens?

 

It is. Time out?

My biological temperate zone beyond which the body will not function.

What is the exact measure of joy?

Many events unseen and unheard contribute to and are essential to our experience. So vast are our connections that any form of reductionism misses the mark. Things are holy, whole.

We stop perceiving what is known to us when we forget. We forget because we become specialized or caught up in our peculiar machinations. Remembering then becomes selective forgetting, as in don't sweat the small stuff.

What being is no more?

All that call the body home for the body does change, die. Such a person might find himself in a kill or be killed situation.



lol Such a person

I was anxious.

Light is the consciousness that illumines things. It is a universal curriculum. Only the time we take to embrace it is optional. I don't mind but to do so only depreciates the power of ones mind in the one minds eye.

 

thedope:

It is continuing to be. Can you rule out time? Space is in motion.

A thing cannot be what it is without becoming what it is. Need I say that applies to everything? lol

The temperate zone beyond which your body ceases functioning, is yours? lol

I'd imagine any exactitude in joy would prove measureless. Do you imagine your not finding its measure would prevent you from being joyous? lol Give me one reason against joy and I shall share my own to help you get over it. :-D

That our experience is always perceived to be so is in no way a reduction of it.
There is no more to our experience than our perception of it, though there is always more of what contributes to it.

No, we only stop knowing what we have forgotten. Is it to be inferred from your words that we may forget everything that is known to us? Remembering is not selective forgetting, let alone forgetting. I should have seen that coming having been through it with you already. lol

Knowledge is no more than the state of knowing. It is not complete in itself as you are suggesting.

That is to equate change with death. The mind is not at home without the body.

All who call? You pronounce sentence upon a people. lol

I believe there are things a heaving sea may take for motion sickness.

 

i can forget yesterday

Shimmer glimmer.

What is withheld from our becoming?

Knowledge is complete.

I can survive 30 below but my body cannot. that is why I keep it warm.

I have no reason against joy but I see no sense in highest.

Form is defined by negative space.

Now that it is out you can't put it back in the box. Remember, forget all your troubles forget all you cares. I hear the light is much brighter there.

It is being shared.

What is missing from being?

Minds join, bodies only touch.

We are justified by our own words.

Is that like believing in talking books?

 

Quarks? Alternate universes?

 

Am I the only one concerned about how this line by line dissection is not debate worthy? I prefer paragraphs to lame one liners.