God Bless the Corporations

Discussion in 'Globalization' started by Wicked Eyes, Jul 30, 2004.

  1. Pointbreak

    Pointbreak Banned

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    So far you have provided no facts, stats, or expert opinion to back up anything you say, in fact you ignore most of the logical errors which have been pointed out in your posts. Anyone can just wave their hand in their air and say "prove it" and then wave their hands in the air again and reject anything put forward.


    Also there is almost no better argument for economic ignorance than believing an exchange rate of 25 crowns to the dollar means anything. There are 110 yen to the dollar, does that mean the US is massively wealthy compared to Japan?

    Why don't we turn the argument around here - how about if you prove to us that banning trade between the fifty states wouldn't harm the economy. Use facts, stats, and expert opinion.
     
  2. Bacchus

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    5 stars Praha Hotel one of the most luxurious hotels in Prague.
    The hotel commands not only a breath-taking view of the city panorama.
    Praha Hotel was originally designed as a facility for the needs of government and opened in 1981. At that time the hotel had to be a self-contained unit, so that the guests did not have to leave the hotel complex at all. To comply with this requirement, an enormous background had to be built and many special provisions made. For example - all the rooms are exceptionally spacious
    (non-comparably to any other hotel in Prague!)...

    hotel building is surrounded by a large park to provide the privacy - a number of one-of-a-kind facilities was installed inside the hotel, for example - unique private lifts that help keep trespassers out of the prominent guests zone… There was absolutely no question of anybody else being allowed to enter the garden area, not to speak of stepping into the hotel itself. Excluded from this privilege stood even the family members of the hotel staff.

    Hotel Praha is situated close to the city centre in a villa quarter, one of the most beautiful parts of the city, in the north-west of Prague in a quiet garden-suburban vicinity,

    All 124 rooms at Praha Hotel command a stunning panoramic view of the city, with a dramatic skyline punctuated by Prague Castle. Air conditioned, each room leads out onto a private bush-framed terrace.


    ROOM RATES:

    single room 115 EUR
    double room 139 EUR
    (per room per night)




    NOW IN THE USA


    The St. Regis Washington DC


    Located two blocks from The White House, The St. Regis, Washington, D.C. has been a stopping place for royalty, presidents, and prime ministers since its opening in 1926. Since Calvin Coolidge cut the ceremonial ribbon, every American President has visited our hotel. Built in the style of an Italian Renaissance Palace and richly appointed with European antiques, Louis XVI chandeliers, Palladian windows, and rich damask draperies, The St. Regis, Washington, D.C. is an elegant and convenient choice for guests who wish to visit galleries, museums, monuments, and other Capital attractions.

    Room Rate Ranges (US Dollars):[size=-1][/size]
    • From a low of $209 to a high of $580
    • From a low of $169 to a high of $480
    • From a low of $600 to a high of $3500

    Where do you get all this banning trade crap? Don't put words in my mouth. Go back and read.

    Let's turn it around? No, just prove your selfishness is good for the world.
     
  3. Pointbreak

    Pointbreak Banned

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    And this has something to do with the exchange rate because.......?

    In any case the Prague Hotel is nothing, the Four Seasons is a top hotel in Prague. Room rates from 300 to 1000 euros, so add 22% for dollars. And enjoy the view.
     
  4. Bacchus

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    Hey whaddya know, a guy who has money to burn, approves of globalization.
     
  5. Applespark

    Applespark Ingredients:*Sugar*

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    more bullshit. But I also sense sarcasm in the original post...We do not prosper under corporations..they prosper from us buing into their marketting propagandas. They have all the money and we are the pawns.
     
  6. Shaman420

    Shaman420 Herbalist

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    God Damn the Corporations!
     
  7. Diomedes

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    nah god bless....the market can solve the world's problems.....just have to keep it a little in check......
     
  8. Applespark

    Applespark Ingredients:*Sugar*

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    how do you keep them in check??
     
  9. Diomedes

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    da gubmint
     
  10. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    Well laws are a good way to start....
     
  11. RevoMystic

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    uh...the very notion of keeping corporations "in check" is a fundamental contradiction to the "free market" ideology. Checks and balances are at the core of a regulated market system. "Free market" pundits, and ignorant folks who defend corporate globalization talk about "keeping everything in check", but the foundation of neo-liberal economic policy is premised on the practice of "de-regulation"---NO checks and/or balances...which would be considered "trade barriers".

    Keeping corporations in check is impossible because the corporations resist any and all attempts to curtail its imperialist practices and policies.

    A massive revolt or boycott is the ONLY solution that many in the movement can see.

    To understand it all more clearly, read Naomi Klein's "No Logo".
     
  12. Applespark

    Applespark Ingredients:*Sugar*

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    RevoMystic~ My thoughts exactly!
     
  13. Diomedes

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    Then why didn't you express them before? RevoMystic to whom was your post directed? Didn't quite catch that one.
     
  14. Applespark

    Applespark Ingredients:*Sugar*

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    He said it better then I could.
     
  15. RevoMystic

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    It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, but for any who would choose to read it.
     
  16. Jozak

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    Are you kidding me? Do you think if corporations were eliminated we would prosper? You are out of your mind. Pointbreak has brilliantly defended the cause of globalization. Third world countries NEED to get out of poverty, and they aren't going to do it by regulations, tarrifs, and taxes on their products and products coming into their country. It's socialist polocies that people like you advocate that keep people poor, and I know, my family and I come from a former Soviet occupied nation.
     
  17. RevoMystic

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    Jozak, I feel for you man, you are completely and utterly misled.
     
  18. Jozak

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    Misled? You don't know jack. I come from a former Soviet bloc country. I know first hand what devoloping nations have to do in order to escape below par GDP's. Look at Poland and the Czech republic, they are the 2 most prosperous nations in Eastern Europe, and it's a result of open trade polocies, low tarrifs, investment by corporations AND other companies that have made them both to continue to grow. Becasue of those factors, small businesses are able to develop and take root. Please show me nations where protectionsim, high tarrifs, and the opposite of everything I just said, that allowed those nations to become wealthy.
     
  19. MaxPower

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    Maye I'm dense, but a free market and a regulated market would appear to be two different things, no? A free marker is one with few or no checks/regulations, hence the term "free."

    Very confusing. You're saying that no checks and balances would be considered trade barriers? How so?

    You can say "imperialist practices and policies" and make corporations sound evil all you want, but who would supply jobs to third world countries if there were no corporations? Are you suggesting the locals go back to subsistence farming and gathering?
     
  20. Kandahar

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    Bacchus, Jozak, and other isolationists/socialists/corporation-haters:

    Please tell me if you disagree with any of my premises, or my logic for reaching the following conclusions:


    • All other things being equal, no person voluntarily trades goods/services/money for something he would consider to be less valuable.
    • Given two similar products of equal quality, people are more likely to buy the cheaper one.
    • Given two similar products of equal price, people are more likely to buy the higher-quality one.
    • Given #1, when a person purchases goods or services from another person, the buyer benefits because he considers those services to be more valuable or equally valuable as the money in his pocket.
    • Given #1, when a person sells goods or services to another person, the seller benefits because he considers the money to be more valuable or equally valuable as the goods or services he provides.
    • Given #4 and #5, there exists a price at which both buyers and sellers generally agree is fair, and beneficial to both.
    • Competition among businesses (SUPPLY of a good/service) generally lowers the price, because more sellers are competing for the same customers.
    • Competition among buyers (DEMAND of a good/service) generally raises the price, because more willing buyers are competing for the same goods and services.
    • Given #4 and #7, if you DENY buyers the right to purchase goods or services from certain businesses, groups of businesses, or countries, (example: denying American consumers the right to purchase goods from Vietnamese sweatshop businesses) there will be LESS competition among businesses.
    • Given #7 and #9, if there is LESS competition among businesses, prices will increase, thereby hurting the buyer because he has less purchasing power.
    • Given #5 and #8, if you DENY companies the right to sell goods or services to certain customers, groups of customers, or countries, (example: denying Vietnamese sweatshop businesses to sell to American consumers) there will be LESS competition among buyers.
    • Given #8 and #11, if there is LESS competition among buyers, prices will decrease, thereby hurting the seller because his income is less.
    • Given #10 and #12, denying people the right to free trade harms BOTH the buyer and the seller.
    • Given #13, isolationism or “self-sufficiency” is a ridiculously stupid policy.
     

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