Goa-Trance???

Amen! It's an acquired taste and not necessarily what a lot of people are into, too lighthearted yet too fucked up for a lot of tranceheads who must.dance.very.fuckin.seriously. I have recently been listening to Luomuhappo : Pog-O-Matic 3000000 I bought the first limited print when it originally came out and it's now worth a few quid since they re-released it

Other Suomisaundi artists to check out: Eraser vs. Yojalka, Haltya, Troll Scientists, Puoskari, Squaremeat, Texas Faggot/Mandalavandalz, Vihtahousu to name a few. The 2cd compilation on Hippie Killer is a good introduction too...

Australian labels like PsyHarmonics, Demon Tea etc have a similar trip going on. Antipodean style is quite up my street..

Not so suomistyle but in a lighthearted vein is Loopus in Fabula and the Sattel Battle album had some pretty suomi moments on it. The new Texas Faggott is good too.

Word. So much of it is shit that I sometimes wonder what I'm doing listening to this crap and then that little bit of gold pops out, smacks you round the head till you're a grinning mess in the corner and reminds you what it's all about

 

The guy was saying steer clear of commercial parties, not steer clear of psy parties...

Simon's Simon's Simon innit, he's alwight, he does what he does.

If he was still playing gigs for £250 and a couple of lines of sniff do you think he'd be playing gigs any more? He's worked hard to get there, put out some great releases with various projects, founded one of the definitive psychedelic trance labels... He deserves it imo...

Though there was that rumour about him getting a blowjob onstage at Glade 07 during Shpongle's set on the Liquid stage... Rock and roll

 

I'm sorry but 3k for 1 hour of a live set is ripping people THE FUCK off, and when he's even charging his 'mates' 1k to watch him - that really does take the piss. He's in UK once or twice every 2-3 years and is playin so much in Japan because his country of origin can't even afford him!!!

 

He's pretty damn famous internationally though, Hallucinogen isn't exactly underground trance music. Shpongle are MASSIVE outside the psy scene and have sold a lot of records, Twisted is one of the only labels from 'back in the day' still going strong and releasing stuff and is greatly respected. He has earnt his place by working his arse off for years, he didn't start charging 3k over night. If people are willing to pay £3k for a set then why shouldn't he charge it?? Supply and demand... No-one's getting 'ripped off' because they don't have to book him if they don't want to.

I work in festivals and have promoted nights for years and lots of artists/bands charge more than that who don't have nearly as much status as him... £3k is not 'a lot of money' in terms of organising an event where you have artists of that caliber playing, check other artists in other genres etc who as internationally famous as SP, they'll charge more than that guaranteed. My outgoings on my monthly night is +/- £3.5k a month in total and I can only afford to put on smaller bands/producers/djs, it's an expensive world...

What do you think is a reasonable fee then?

 

Considering Hallucinogen is very limited in terms new material and there's been nothing for years (he's released a couple of new tracks and the odd remix of old tunes), he's definitely no longer at the forefront of psytrance. Yes, he's worked hard - and I'm not trying to argue with that (if at all), and it's fair that he's got other projects now, but to still be making so much money from the Hallucinogen project and not giving much back to the scene seems ridiculous to me. I really don't see why he can't pay for £1k. I know in comparison to other styles of electronic music, 3k isn't much - mainstream DJs obviously charge more, but there's a lot more money in those scenes. People like Infected Mushroom and Hallucinogen are trying to make it like that though, which would be really bad for underground psy - especially when everyone makes a point of bumming them.
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..I'm not talking about Shpongle and Twisted - of course he's entitled to every penny of the money he's raking in with them. I'm trying to establish the fact that he's using Hallucinogen to simply make more money when the Hallucinogen project has been going for years with very little in terms of new material. Fair enough, there's paying for Simon Posford himself - but why charge 3k for a one hour set of years old tuneage from the Hallucinogen project?? Shpongle aren't psytrance, and this is my point - people often think psytrance and say Hallucinogen, when he's contributed very little to the scene other than the 2 widely publicised albums that gained him the popularity he's got as a psytrance artist today.. yet they still bum him into the middle of next week.

 

Without him 'the scene' would be a very different place. He owes it nothing, he helped create it.

If you factor in travel, transport for all the equipment, accomodation, flights, rider etc for at least two people ... It might not be worth his while to play for a grand.

Not just mainstream artists though. I've put on obscure foreign bands with less of a following who wanted more money than that for a gig, even when they were already touring the UK. He's at the top of his game and unlike IM he hasn't changed his style. Hallucinogen is very far removed from the underground, he's a professional artist, he charges professional prices. The underground is always going to be there, there's always going to be smaller labels, free parties etc but it's not the most viable career. Most people I know involved in 'the underground' work 'normal' jobs to stay afloat- this is people involved in labels like Liquid, Pharpsyde, Timecode and artists and promoters you will have heard of.

If you've devoted X amount of years of your life to silly blippy music and drug parties then you're going to want some security eventually otherwise you'll just be burnt out, jaded, skint, fried and unemployable.

If you can make a living out of music you're damn lucky. As an artist (visual artists too) you have to price your art up a certain amount if people believe it's worth paying for.

At the end of the day if you play say 10 gigs a year for £3k a time you're only making £30k a year, we're not talking rockstar decadence here...

 

Sorry but that's BS, he's a huge influence on so many artists, he helped define the sound later to become psychedelic trance and set up one of the top three legendary labels for trance music ever. The other two are long gone now- Flying Rhino and TIP..

Say what you like but he was one of the biggest influences on the whole scene so it's funny to hear you saying other than those two albums he's contributed very little. What's someone like Electrypnose done for the scene that makes him so great? (I do like him, just playing devils advocate a bit here).. Name 1 darkpsy artist that has contributed even half as much as Posford to the scene...

 

Agree to disagree on the Hallucinogen subject - Shpongle and Twisted aside.
Obviously you are more experienced than I in the event organising side of things.
I was just trying to say he's milking Hallucinogen when he's got more than enough money (security) coming in from seperate projects - as well as continuing to generate profits from Hallucinogen. Fair enough if Hallucinogen had new material for release, but it hasn't and hasn't done for years. That's my opinion, and if I carry on I'll bore all with repetition. I can see where you're coming from though and in that sense, can begin to agree - but I still don't think there's any need to charge as much for nothing new - especially when he's been known to 'mime' on stage in the past.
Hell, I love his music, I'll leave it there.

 

i saw/heard him on ozora in 2007 and i was really looking forward to his gig...
but it wasnt really good...my opinion...nothing new...like u saiid before...milking the cow...an old cow...
...better enjoy the underground stuff.....and the suomitrance...

 

Take a trip back in time and listen to the material that was around when those two Hallucinogen albums were released. Then you will understand just how much he contributed JUST in his sound alone.

Those two albums STILL hold up to albums being released today, maybe not in terms of production value but definitely in terms of innovation. Not to mention both of those albums are VERY psychedelic, which a lot of psytrance these days isn't anymore.

Hes also contributed in the form of Younger Brother, which while not all psytrance, is a very nice act and great addition to the psychedelic music scene.

It sounds to me like you have some sort of grudge against him just because hes famous, and probably only second to Infected Mushroom, and maybe not even.

So what if he milks his own creations, they're his creations to milk. He has full right to play only those two albums from here until he dies and nothing else. It's not like people go see him expecting new material, hes not lying to anyone.

I have a lot of respect for the entire TIP and Twisted bunch period, the entire genre owes shit tons to them.

 

although i thoroughly enjoyed hallucinogen when it first came out, i really don't listen to it any more. its not that is bad, i just rarely get in the mood for that anymore. a lot of people grew out of that sound, even though for most of us it was what turned us on to psytrance. i also saw Simon Posford live in arkansas, and his shpongle set was way better than his hallucinogen.

 

I heard he was planning on releasing a third Hallucinogen album.

 

..well there's a new Hallucinogen track 'Strangled Cat' on his official MySpace page..

 

can't really appreciate it when people break down stuff others are saying when it comes to music, if they don't come up with what they like themselves. expose yourself plz, if you have such a delicate taste for goa it would only be for the better, so we can learn

edit- i guess other posts made up for it by now

 

was there in 92.... don't just go on about the sounds, who, how and why...it's the spirit! the feeling when after dancing all night, you really phisically feel the rays of the sun dwelling into you when it rises over that horizon, then u pop another pill coz the feeling is just ..... might have changed, but i hope the spirit is there, i learnt that it^s not where u are, but how and who you're with... doooods, you can all do the party.. it's all in you, anytime, anyplace. shanti raving bezerks love u all ! take care.

 

music is an excuse for the ignorants... you can tune in and make it happen.
(well..., good *** rhythms as per sasha, posford etc.. are ... ))) nice. chemical bros, whatever, just remember, it's you're attitude that does it all (and the quality of chemistry)

 

Space Buddha is pretty cool.

 

space buddha is top, man.
you should hunt for the 2009 VA compilation "psyconnection" (easily acquired via rapidshare winrar files) - space buddha kicks off the album with a new track "steam phase" which seems to me a progression on his last album ("no shields") - which, in my opinion, was pushing the very essence of goa and breaking new boundaries.
this "steam phase" track offers a natural progression on his previous material with sliding basslines from 4:25 (which to me seem very similar to those of Electrypnose - especially "cerebral factory creamfields remix") - if you like goa/full-on, the entire album is worth the listen.

 

Hehe, this guy knows what it's about
Many's the time I've watched the sun come up after dancing and raving all night, and you just feel so connected to everything (even when the rave's in the middle of London hehe)