Globalization HAS to Happen

Discussion in 'Globalization' started by ninjarilla, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. Jimmy P

    Jimmy P bastion of awesomeness

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    Now that is ridiculous. Hardwired into the human brain is an in-group, out-group mentality, ie, us vs them. This served a purpose in prehistoric days, but only limits and divides us in the modern world. You've already made a distinction that "indigenous" people are different from others, when really, people are people and this world belongs to all of us.

    Exactly right. It is important to try and think outside of the box, and realize that all the systems society has imposed on the world and its people aren't rigid, unchangeable realities. They are simply man-made, inherently flawed, and designed in favor of one group of people, which invariably means another group of people will have to suffer for it.

    If we had the will, as a species, we could make this planet the paradise it is supposed to be. Magical thinking? Open your eyes, and your mind. Yours, and similar ways, of thinking is the only obstacle to achieving a unified human species, individals working together for the greater good. It's not going to be possible until the majority of people realize it is possible.
     
  2. Tsurugi_Oni

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    I've been reading a lot of Marx lately, and I think the guy got it right. Not that Russian Communism is right, by Marx's fundamental idea.

    We could de-desert a lot of land and make it productive. Why don't we? Because we have this system which we have to work hard to live, have constant pressure from taxes, promotes exploitatoin, etc.
     
  3. green_revolution

    green_revolution Member

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    Globalization is not something bad in itself, and it can certainly be used to foster peace and love and all that juicy stuff. The problem though is the type of globalization that we have, which only benefits the northern elite while leaving the rest of the world poor, intoxicated, and corrupt.
    I have nothing against the world becoming more connected and intergrated. But if that's going to happen, it needs to be the initiative of all, and not just for the sake of the interests of the narrow few.
     
  4. notjoetheplumber

    notjoetheplumber Member

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    Regardless of the spin that has been placed on it, globalization in practice is being utilized to create a society of control for a ruling class. The average person is considered to shallow of intellect to perceive the benefits and to a degree this is true as is apparent by the controls that already exsist. Many indigenous peoples have lost the rights to maintain self rule for the greater good of the elite. Just look at history and all the calls for manifest destiny by different regimes. Many negative examples exsist.
     
  5. Mellow Yellow

    Mellow Yellow Electrical Banana

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    Or for that matter look at the history of the US, lots of examples there, though you may not read about them in most history books..
     
  6. famewalk

    famewalk Banned

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    Now the globalization would be good if it could be the spritualistic thing of purely religious concerns, but it's rule of goodness is by the creator of an exhaustion stopping just short of a gold standard which should demand cold and impersonal distinctions that it is again Mine. The rule of goodness should have wholly to do with the fellowman and trustedness or compassion.
     
  7. heywood floyd

    heywood floyd Banned

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    I'm not so sure that globalization would make things any worse, and really, if everyone is working together, at least we won't have to worry about nuclear war-- so at least the human race will have avoided extinction. There will be more terrorists and insurgents, but they will be less dangerous than another US/Soviet standoff.

    Also, vast sums of money would be flowing in and out of a single location-- which happens already anyway, though of course, the amounts would be even larger. But then the banks would probably still be charging US to let them take our money and use it for their own profit, as is their nature.

    It's something of a complicated issue, and it's really tough to figure out what the eventual result will be. My bet is it's not going to any better or worse than what we have now... except we won't have to worry about global nuclear holocaust like they did during the Cold War.
     
  8. Tsurugi_Oni

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    I think the way things are goin, it'd be much worse. If U.S. or China was super corrupt, at least the other big boys could wrestle em down. If there's only one big boy (government) lookin after all the rest, there's nobody in their weight class.
     
  9. Mellow Yellow

    Mellow Yellow Electrical Banana

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    Scary isn't it, to think of global domination by a few elites.

    In a way that's how it is already, multinational businessmen who essentially own governments, are loyal to no one, and have no moral standards.
     
  10. heywood floyd

    heywood floyd Banned

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    ^^^They don't own governments, but they probably think that they do. The idea of an elite group owning a government (well, at least the US government) is probably just a paranoid fantasy.

    More often than not, the capitalists are only interested in money, and being slaves to money themselves, they think that everyone else is as well. This isn't to say that politicians don't lie or make unreasonable promises to get elected... but it is to say that once they are elected, everything changes.

    If it meant more campaign money to promise some businessman to pass an amendment that you probably wouldn't pass, would you tell him you'd pass it? And if you said that you would and you didn't, which would make the better documentary, the fact that it's still 'on hold' or 'under consideration' without a hope in hell of ever really being passed, or the fact that you promised to pass it?

    By the nature of their aspirations, politicians are forced to associate themselves with the rich and powerful, and try to impress them-- it's unavoidable, if only because it's impossible for some average dumbass to become the President of the United States. Seriously, who else is going to finance their campaign??

    But whether or not they're 'slaves' or 'puppets' is a completely different matter... though it would make sense politically to at times act as though you were, a lot of the time, the reality is probably quite different. Like in a job interview where you know you could get the job by saying your biggest drawback is that you work too damn much-- it's a lie, but you do it to get something you need.

    People act as they must to get to where they want to be--there's a huge difference between the means and the ends, and in many ways politicians are as motivated by their ideals as they are by their personal ambitions.

    The world isn't completely evil, you know.
     
  11. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

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    You guys can keep on dreaming your sweet little dreams about globalization and all the possibilities and potential. But there is only one way it is going to happen and it will not be beneficial to the majority.

    He who holds the power (and thus wealth), creates the path for the world. And these people are a bunch of psychopathic bastards who could care less for the masses. Their idea of globalization is far different than any of yours, or most can fathom. Of course they will wrap it up in a neat little package for the masses to consume. This is especially good for Americans who always love things to be sugar coated. Don't take the bait, there is always a side to the story that is not told. Seek it out, for yourself as an individual.

    Globalization in its current form and how it will soon take shape will destroy the middle class and a huge chunk of humanity as a whole, as we know it.
     
  12. heywood floyd

    heywood floyd Banned

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    ^^^ I don't understand how you can be so sure about all of this. Do you personally know these people or have you just watched a lot of pseudo-documentaries on the internet?

    If these people are such all-powerful evil overlords, then what's the point of 'waking up', since they're all so powerful and their agendas are all so evil and unstoppable that it really doesn't make a difference if you're 'aware' or 'unaware'??? Are you going to do something about it??? Or do you just like feeling superior?
     
  13. rambleON

    rambleON Coup

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    the fuck it isnt. it is our nature.
     
  14. Tsurugi_Oni

    Tsurugi_Oni Member

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    Give opportunity, but don't force. Give people the CHANCE to be educated, to attain technology, free information, and freedom. Freedom from ignorance, freedom to explore other ways of living and other possibilities.

    Don't cram it down their throats under notion that you have to civilize the savages, but make it available.

    If you do that, globalization will take its natural course.

    When the system collapses, and you have unbounded knowledge and technology, who knows what will happen. There will be no rules, only what people want to create. Then is the true test of how globalization happens.
     
  15. jamesrock

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    Wow, Good luck getting the Muslims to go along with this. I hear they are very understanding of other cultures. LOL

    :cheers2:
     
  16. Tsurugi_Oni

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    All this pessimism is killing me.

    All we have to do to end the corruption is to think up of another system. Get the brightest minds together and philosophize about a new economic/social system. Just think of how Communism rose to power. That word never existed until a bunch of men sat around a table and brain stormed.

    The reason why the power structures are in place is because we abide by this system, and it's all we know. No one person has ultimate power, but it takes a heirarchical system to allow him to give orders from his ivory tower. Simply dismantling the system will bring about a lot of chaos. Having a plan for the future will bring order. It's very important to be aware of the bad, but it's just as important to know where you want to go.
     
  17. rambleON

    rambleON Coup

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    simplistic thinking. so ambiguous.

    why does everyone insist that they have an answer. there is a very good reason why things are the way they are today....it's called human nature.


    there never was a golden age...there never will be.

    stop dreaming.

    thanks. muddy banks.
     
  18. Tsurugi_Oni

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    O god, the "human nature" arguement...

    There will never be an age of perfect peace. But we can move in the right direction. We still haven't developed a very fair economic system. We are still dealing with unnecessary starvation in the world. An economic/political system that could effectively deal with these primitive obstacles is definately within the realm of possibility.
     
  19. Menace2KS

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    Hopefully there will be a worldwide catastrophe that kills atleast half the human population before we can achieve this so we can go back to a nomadic way of life on earth and the planet will see peace again.
     
  20. jamesrock

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    Hopefully you are part of that half! LOL
     

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