Do you believe guys who say this? I generally do believe them, but I recently saw a thread on another forum where women said that "men who say this don't really know what no makeup really looks like and usually refer to women who wear very light makeup" and that "a lot of women look bad and receive bad comments when they have no makeup at all". And this made me wonder, do other girls not believe that they can be pretty without makeup? It is kinda obvious that women aren't ugly by default, it's just that society has put many unrealistic standards on how we should look. So that's why people automatically pay attention to all of women's imperfections. But comments like these make it seem like women think they literally NEED makeup, and there is no way that a guy might like them without makeup... Is society really that hard on us?