the other argument on this has gone on for ever and way off track, so I thought I'd ask if anyone can tell me why- If it's immoral to sleep with men, why do I want to? That is not a choice I made. For a very long time I have wanted to be completely straight. I never wanted any part of gay, and in fact would still quite like to trade up for normality- that just isn't possible. If god made me. He programmed me with gayness. My free will lets me choose to act on it or not, but gayness is inate. You can scan brains for masculinity or feminity. Gay people are generally more opposite orientated in their very DNA. I can't get blamed for that surely! So does god expect me to live a lie for ever and be deeply unhappy while I smile and pretend everything is fine to my wife? I met a christian guy in a chatroom once who did just that. His advise was literally-lie, get a wife, you gotta get to heaven Or should I live alone forever, guiltily repenting for my dirty sinful thoughts? Theres that bit about coveting another guys wife or whatever, which I have been taught means that you can't think about sinning without feeling guilty and apologising, otherwise you might as well have sinned. So am I supposed to coninually repent for stuff so ingrained in who I am that I can't control it? Thats sick, anyone who seriously tried to deal with christian guilt while gay forever would go crazy, having lived such a self-loathing miserable life. If you really beleived your thoughts were unholy, disliked by the divine creator, and were condemning you, and you couldn't stop them, death would be better. I'm not a bad person, I abide by my concience. I don't think god should lay this stuff on me or anyone. Can anyone who beleives the bible justify this, without contradicting the bible?