Gay Cure MERGED

One of the most common Hetro fantasy for both males and females is that they are going to be the one who is so good in bed that they are going to be the one who makes a Gay or Lesbian person "change their ways". I think therefore that a Gay or Lesbian person who came to a Hetro bar and announced that they wanted to try a little experiment would be quite popular. I have never heard of a similar fantasy in the Non Hetro culture but I set ready to be corrected by someone who is a member.

 

Nah, if it was a gay fantasy we'd only want them to be bisexual. If you turn them fully gay then what's the point?

 

Converting, Seducing or 'Popping a Cherry' of an otherwise straight heterosexual is a common fantasy in 'Gay Circles'.

The converse (converting a homosexual into heterosexual) is not a very common idea at all among 'hetero circles'.
Its been attempted but its not considered a 'fantasy' by anyone I have ever known or heard about.
Why did you say it was a common fantasy HippyPaul?
Did someone tell you that as a sort of 'defense' thing to say in case anyone brought up the very popular gay fetish/fantasy about getting straight guys in bed for a first time?

 

I cannot count the number of times I've heard (homophobic) guys say about lesbians "oh, they just need to be fucked good, I'd make her love men" or something similar...

 

Most guys I know, like an actual majority, have some kind of fantasy in which they meet two lesbians and convert them to cock. I don't doubt a lot of women feel the same way about gay guys; I've had enough girls tell me how much of a shame it is I'm gay while sitting on my lap and doing stuff with their fingers which they probably think is supposed to be sexy.

Some facets of human sexuality are surrounded with ambiguity and open to debate. Straight guys wanting to bone lesbians isn't one of them.

 

Its a myth popularised by pop culture and perfected by those looking for a 'rhetorical arrow' to carry with them.
In reality the Classic SNL skit in which even a group of 'Frat Boys' (your prime suspects in this case) are actually horrified when they realise they are seeing two real (characterised) Lesbians.
One horrified 'jock' blurts out "wh..wh..where is the Asian one with red fingernails??"

 

Well I said it was a common fantasy because it is a common fantasy. There are a number of references in the sociology literature on sexual fantasy material. I, however, drew from my life experience, being in a profession that is mostly female have heard the female version more than the male. However, as seen above it seems to be common there too. I would also like to make the statement that the sun is going to rise on the eastern horizon tomorrow just to have the joy of seeing you point out my mistake.

 

This is f*cking ridiculous. I can't believe that you or anyone would suggest that people should be aborted for being gay.

You rightly deserve to be labelled as a nazi, since this is exactly the type of eugenic practice that was executed by the third reich. Purge the "unclean" from society, kill people based on their race, castrate those who are deemed unfit to pass on their genes. This is disgusting.

I've noticed that you are very fond of Freud's theories regarding homosexuality. Perhaps we should turn the tables: Freud would say that you have such a strong interest in homosexuality because you yourself are a homosexual. Perhaps its time to admit it, rather than come up with all of these convoluted reasons why homosexuals should not be alive.

 

Well if you want to label people as Nazi's for even suggesting people would abort 'Gay Fetuses' then look no further than several of your buddies who made the suggestion in the first place.
Rather, they made some smug smartie faces and asked "yahmm... so we will see how many 'so-called' abortion protesters will change their tune if they knew they could abort gay babies hmmm"?
(paraphrasing)

So yeah, YOU henry are telling me you do think this would be a bad thing.
Why?
Its the hypocritical right wing 'fundamentalist' Mothers right to choose what she does with her own body isnt it?
So if the lump of flesh in her has some gay genes in it thats her choice isnt it?

Im ASKING you, numbnuts?

 

Erasmus, your logic is a bit silly.

I happen to be a member of the Church of England, so naturally I try to go out of my way to respect human dignity. Life is sacred, whether straight or gay. Abortions ought to be avoided in all but the most pressing situations.

I would never suggest that we should give abortions to people in trailer parks because their children are at risk of growing up as common homophobes. All people ought to be given the chance to live life.

 

I will suggest you are confused and have decided I am for abortiing the hypothetical gay babies.

Did you read my posts or just assume this out of your own prejudice?
Do you know any 'homophobes' in real life and is it true that almost all 'homophobes are actually homosexuals themselves?
Do you think Trailer Parks produce more homosexual babies then?

Explain these things instead of calling people Nazis.

 

But ultimately, why gay foetuses specifically?
Why not redhead foetuses? I mean, redheads are hassled in school sometimes... ...better we kill the sons of bitches before that happens.
Should we abort "bisexual" foetuses as well?

Even if we aborted the genetic side of homosexuality there are still those who choose it without such an intrinsic motivation - sometimes due to trauma, other times due to falling in love.

Homosexuals are properly functioning human beings capable of all the normal human interactions - if you wish to see the attraction to the same sex as some kind of impotence go ahead, but why? Surrogacy and joint parenthood happen frequently. Gay people can get on with their lives and their families provided you piss off and let them. Deal with the fact and find something better to do than suggest they're better off dead.

 

If you would just be brave enough to say what you really think, instead of beating around the rhetorical bush, we wouldn't have to guess...

I am pro-abortion (limited). So IF homosexuality was purely genetic and IF it could be detected in an unborn baby, yes people could abort their homosexual babies. I certainly wouldn't condone it, but it wouldn't take away the right (in my eyes) to abort.

 

Well in this case, I believe the fetus is a human being.
So, obviously you never do such a thing.
Why would you kill a person.

Do I really need to state that Im also against killing people.
The way people 'think' in here I wouldnt be surprised if I dont actually need to state that explicitly.

Hey, people all over the world have been aborting babies because they are females and they would much rather have a boy.
So the whole 'gay baby' (something of a 'third gender') is no stretch at all when put up against what already happens.

I know there are a few nations who execute men caught having homosexual relations.
Im not sure if anyone has done a genetic sort of study on this to show if its reducing the 'gay gene' over time?
Maybe Iran will open up its Scientific research on this one day.

Iv'e stated before that I see absolutely ZERO evidence of any 'gay gene' and Ive already been called a 'Nazi' for denying such a thing exists (and this also means I am helping murder Matthew Sheppard).
However,
I see no end of evidence that human being are all born with a carnal nature, which, if encouraged will lead to any and all sorts of adventures to gratify itself.

So 'in that sense' everyone is 'born' to do these things and just like everyone is a bit weaker or stronger or sensitive to anything - in the same way some are more prone to one thing or another.
I certainly do believe some people are born with the potential to be more prone to alchoholism.
Hormonal, genetic, whatever it is.
However, they must still find that combination of trauma, needs, upbringing then combine that with their own social factors, friends and even time periods.
Then
They still have to make that choice and continue making that choice.

Now, I suppose anything is possible and many are now really pushing the 'official' idea that all homosexuals are a sort of 'Third Gender' who have been born with a different type of physiology which 'makes them' really want to be in sexual relations with other 'Gayborns'.

Ok.

So what if its true that they are 'born' as a gay.
Then THAT is my question.

Since a lot of people in here are absolutely convinced they are a different type of human called 'A Borngay' (tm) then I suggest YOU should be VERY INTERESTED in this hypothetical question and trying hard to find an answer too.
After all - this IS what YOU believe can happen soon.

 

Oh, right. So everyone I know is lying then? I find this all highly amusing.

 

As for the gay gene, I've heard evidence to suggest that it's possible, but I've never been fully convinced. However, the possibility that you are born gay does not demand the existence of a genetic origin. I recently discovered that thought and instinct are not merely biological, or at least not within the grounds of what science tells us.

For the sake of the argument, it is necessary for us to suppose that there is some biological origin. I feel however that this is somehow missing the point. We are discussing ethics, not pragmatics.

That said, this pretty much ceased to be a worthwhile discussion several pages back.

 

I agree with Lietchi here: Erasmus, you imply things and then you backpedal as soon as somone calls you out on it.

For instance, you imply that it would be beneficial to the gene pool to abort gay foetuses, and then when I bring this up, you say "I didn't say that, you're making assumptions".

Perhaps you would like to tell us then what your opinion on this is, and spare us all the guesswork?

 

Henry. That probably the first time in over 3,000 posts that someone has used my name and the word 'Backpedal' in the same sentence.

Anyways, you might want to read through the topics before getting too carried away.
What does assuming get you....


btw: Asking hypothetical questions does not necessarily Imply anything.

 

Are you going to answer this or not?

 

Your posts have no substance. I asked you to give your opinion on this issue, and you didn't. There's no point in discussing this any further.