Gas up to 3.60 where I live and going up .02 everyday.

Discussion in 'Consumer Advocacy' started by gardener, May 8, 2007.

  1. wave owls not flags

    wave owls not flags is not interested

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    I too am a working person. :rolleyes:

    It has nothing to do with the lobby. It has everything to do with the fact that there is no more free land to be drilled on; the oil companies around today were started decades ago, and as they met success they expanded (just like with any other type of business). However, if you did have the money (millions and millions and millions of dollars), you could probably pay not just the landowner for the right to drill but also the oil company which owns the mineral rights underneath the land, and if you were to strike oil the company would more than likely get a share of those profits (that would more than likely be part of the contract giving you the right to drill).*** I imagine it could work like that.... but of course there is probably no money left in oil for entrepeneurs as the existing oil companies had their seeds planted when you were just a baby.


    Basically... there will probably never be a new successful oil company in our lifetimes, not because of any lobby but because there isn't going to be enough money to be made by an individual who would put hundreds of millions of dollars into a new company.

    But that too of course is the illuminatis fault, I reckon.






    ***However, I don't see why any oil company would let someone drill their land because they have the money to do it themselves.... and if there was oil down there, I can't imagine why they would let it sit in the ground.
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    It is only in the last 30 years that a handful of companies have been allowed to controll the refineries and import of oil. Decades are only 10 years, are we to allow our future to be governed by companies that have managed to controll their markets for that length of time. Prior to that there were anti-trust laws and legislation that protected the populus from outright extortion.
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Now we send our children to die to profit 3 oil companies.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    There are oil resources out there, Iraq is one of the big ones. Why do you think we have a war today?
     
  5. lifelovefun

    lifelovefun Member

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    To free the Iraqi people???
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    Note Sarcasm ;)
     
  6. ronald Macdonald

    ronald Macdonald Banned

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    because the USA is the second biggest arms dealer after the UK ????
     
  7. trekker

    trekker Intrepid Traveler

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    Walk, ride a bike, car pool, don't use gas mowers; get rid of your lawn or try a push mower. Nuf said. :)
     
  8. Pronatalist

    Pronatalist Banned

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    It's because the wacko "environmentalists" say they don't want us dependent upon foreign oil, but then every chance they get, block us developing our own known resources, or so said some guy on talk radio. So the enviros make us dependent on foreign oil and volatile foreign markets. And likely the oil companies and the government are in on the conspiracy to restrict supply to jack up prices!

    Why aren't we prosecuting these price-gouging criminals?

    What the developing world needs, is cheap and abundant energy, not for rich hypocrites to force their bizarre "environmental" ideas of "conservation" upon people. Yeah, use less gasoline if you can, carpool, quit shopping and buying excessive useless junk you can't afford anyway, combine trips, etc. But does the rich person really use less when prices rise?

    It's an obvious supply problem, even though there's no real shortage of oil in the world.

    The guy on the radio, at least gave Arabs credit for when they find oil, they drill for it, unlike (stupid) Americans who don't seem to think that we need the jobs.
     
  9. Pronatalist

    Pronatalist Banned

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    Well you have apparently done absolutely no reseach to back up your position. What happens when people don't mow their lawns for a rather long time? The city comes and does it, and accesses the property for the bill.

    Seems awfully fishy, that the same government that could intervene and do something about these stupid high gasoline prices, doesn't give us an automatic high-prices waiver to ride bicycles on the freeway and not mow our grass. Shouldn't it be reasonably "possible" for the working poor to obey "laws?"

    A push mower? Surely you aren't serious? I have used one in the past, and the smallest twig will jam up a push mower. I don't imagine they will cut tall grass either. Would even "Superman" use a push mower? Push mowers are perhaps practical for a 2 by 2 foot lawn? But then couldn't you just use scissors then?

    Walk? That used to be an option, until this crazy society invented so much junk mail and busywork, such that there is no longer time to walk very far. And if people could lose their stupid comments about a person smelling sweaty, we wouldn't have to cacoon ourselves always in air conditioning, which eliminates walking.

    Get rid of your lawn? And replace it with what? Wall-to-wall housing? Well there's these little unconstitutional zoning "laws" that mandate that we waste some space on lawns, and not build anything right up to the property line. Oh, you must have meant a rock garden, until the weeds soon move in anyway? Or maybe just cover the entire lawn with a huge basketball court or concrete driveway? Hope the storm drains are up to par, to handle all that rain runoff.

    Now one idea I almost like, that you failed to mention, is electric lawnmowers. Wow. Flip the switch and it always starts up the very first time? What a concept! But the problem with electric lawnmowers, is that a typical electrical outlet only has 15 amps. Or about 2 horsepower. That makes for small mowers that could be fine for small lawns. But electric lawnmowers behave better than gasoline mowers, if one can get used to how to not mow over the yard extension cord. Gasoline mowers, when hitting a patch of tall grass or clogging, just suddenly "give up." It's because gasoline engines only produce peak power, at a narrow RPM range. Once they slow, fewer cylinder firings rob power all the more. That's why cars have transmissions, to keep the engine in the RPM range it likes. Electric motors are just the opposite. Lag them down, and they push harder, heating up, and sometimes blowing the circuit breaker with the surging current draw. So electric motors help a tired human by doing most of the work, and aren't "scared" of a little tall grass.
     
  10. Pronatalist

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    Oh, I thought that was the purpose of the "environmental" regulations, to make any new upstarts impossible to compete.
     
  11. tooniceguy

    tooniceguy Member

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    were up near $9 per uk gallon ($8 per US) here now..



    and i daily drive a mustang! glad its a V6!
     
  12. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    It would be helpfull if capacity could be increased by the construction of additional refining capacity. Environmental regulation has helped to boost prices by constricting fuel supplies. Espically in California.
    So pay up boys, hope your happy that you've enacted those clean air regulations.

    One might add that environmental regulations create barriers to entry in this industry.

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  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    No one is stopping the oil companies from building new refineries. In fact many of the clean air acts have been repealed, and the oil companies have received tax deferments to build new refineries. They've found it profitable to scream shortage and raise the price, than build new ones. They benefit from controling the supply.

    And the ones that prevent small new companies from entering the market place are the huge conglomerates.

    http://blogforcleanair.blogspot.com/2005/09/why-oil-companies-dont-build-new.html
     

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