Fukushima plume heading across Pacific to U.S. and Canada

In the history of science we’ve never seen anything like this Fukushima plume heading across Pacific to U.S. and Canada — Why is Japan allowed to get away with contaminating ocean?

CBC Radio’s ‘As It happens’, September 2, 2013 – Carol Off, Host at 6:15 in: Why is Japan allowed to get away with this? Why are there not other efforts from other countries involved here?

Full broadcast here : https://soundcloud.com/dateline-tokyo/cbc-aih-fukushima-far-worse

 

Read more: Just How Dangerous Are the Fukushima Leaks? - Popular Mechanics

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5 Words:

National Sovereignty and Cultural Shame.

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^That's the general crux of it. That and nobody really knows how to treat/clean radioactive disasters once they happen, mankind just hasn't created the science for that yet.

 

Perhaps mankind should stop trying to play God through science and start being happy for what it has.

One day I'm going to give birth and that can be risky. Sure science has lowered that risk considerably but I would still prefer to take that risk so that future generations can live in a toxic free world.

 

Oh God!

read Orison's post

just another fool on a soapbox trying to sound an alarm for a non-existent problem.
Move along folks, nothing to see here.

 

RIF needs to stop being a slave to the internet and the power that's required to run it.
Anything less, is hypocritical.

 

if Fukushima, is anything like Chernobyl . The site will soon be flourishing in wildlife, and vegetation.

 

Fukushima is however, nothing like Chernobyl

 

I think the crab and fishing industry in Alaska is screwed. If it glows in the dark, don't eat it. The reason for all the different cancers in the world today, is from the nuke tests done in the 50's and 60's. Those nukes continue to circle the earth today, their half life is a thousand years.
There are thousands of barrels of nuke waste sitting on nuke power plant sites, that are only a matter of time before they begin leaking.
It's not a matter of if a Fukushima disaster will happen in the U.S., just when and how many.
Imagine the mess, if Al Qaeda would have flown into five nuke plants instead of the WTC and Pentagon.
Nuclear power plants is the dumbest invention in human history.

 

Thank you! :2thumbsup:

 

nor is it like the US gulf. watch that hell-hole over time.

im a total lay-person but what Orison quoted about radioactivity is how i understand it.
the same goes for the petroleum contamination in the Gulf, but, the localized contamination, well... watch the dead zone that results.

petroleum and radioactivity are both natural phenomenon, with different parameters. radioactivity sounds scary but the real horror to me is the gulf.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/12/japan-fukushima-chernobyl-crisis-comparison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Fukushima_and_Chernobyl_nuclear_accidents

how they compare. I dont see much difference, other than population displaced, not by much.

 

Even if the consequences would turn out not so bad I can't help but hold a grudge against Japanese authorities for staying quiet about this shit for so long. Should we care about their nation's shame (how deserved this shame might be)? NO. They have handled it rather ridicilously since this is a matter that does not only concerns them..

 

To be fair though America shares just as much blame as Japan because we sold them the blueprints of the nuclear power plant of Fukushima.

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Also at least in Chernobyl, they poured boric-acid on the site and buried it in concrete to absorb the neutrons and contain the alpha and beta particles.

In Japan they didn't do that at all, and are just dumping it in the ocean, when their steel vats get full of radioactive sea water.

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Now to respond to Resistance isn't Futile, Nuclear power isn't bad in of itself, it's just the power plant designs aren't the safest ones we should be using, and we shouldn't be using Uranium for nuclear power cores because it goes critical to easily.

 

Using nuclear power produces waste that is far more deadly than any coal or oil energy. The motto "clean energy" is a monstrous lie, just like "clean coal". This is the most evil generation in history, creating global warming and nuclear waste, and leaving future generations to clean up the mess. Same with the $15 trillion national debt.

 

More often than not in life you need to be happy with what you've got. Learning to be content to make your own music, take comfort in being cuddled by another, accepting the pleasure of working with your own hands and accepting that the healthiest apples might have a little worm inside them.

So I'll ask you what is all this energy really being used for?

If you respond to power hospitals and provide lighting and warmth for schools. Then I'll agree with you that these are good things and the benefits surpass the risks.

But the truth is that the majority of energy created goes to making sure people can watch stupid television shows like Britain's got talent, download porn, power their microwave, recharge their stupid Iphone, going for a drive to the local shop to purchase cigarettes and to power the millions of factories that produce the rubbish that the ignorant masses consider signs of progress and evolution.

And this is where the problem starts because we could provide things like hospitals and schools with a small generator of their own. A small group of craftsmen could easily construct one for their community without huge environmental impact and a sight more efficiently. But that won't ensure that all the rubbish gets produced and consumed would it??

So instead we get massive nuclear plants that eventually fail and thousand of innocent sea lions die, fish get poisoned and ignorant masses start consoling themselves with silly comments about radiation being a natural element.

There is a very dark dark future on the horizon... A storm of epic proportions that will rip civilization as we know it into pieces. So I'll say to everyone that they better learn how to scavenge, build a shelter using stones, grow plants and how to use their own poop for fuel and fertilizer. Because soon enough there won't be many places humans can comfortably live left.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble-bed_reactor

 

Princeton university did a study in 2004...............http://www.doh.wa.gov/portals/1/Documents/Pubs/320-063_bkvsman_fs.pdf (this link is to a DOH.GOV, but they list their sources)

They say natural radiation exposure accounts for about %80 of what Americans get each year with the other %20 coming from man made or humanly enhanced sources, but they calculate that only around 1/2 of one percent (0.554%) comes from "fallout, nuclear power plants, air
travel, occupational, etc"

They also say "About 11% (40 mrem) of our radiation dose comes from naturally occurring radioactive materials in the
body. Most of the dose comes from a radioactive
isotope of potassium. Radioactive potassium-40, as
well as other radioactive materials (such as carbon-14) which occur naturally in air, water, and soil, are incorporated into the food we eat and then into our body tissues"

So its great to be aware of the hazards of radiation, but keep things in perspective. You get 20 times the ionizing radiation from eating food than you get from all nuclear power generation, and the more than 2000 atomic weapons tests preformed worldwide, and all the nuclear power plant accidents combined.

The world needs electricity. We need to keep up the push towards cleaner energy like solar and wind, but currently we get about 37% of our energy from coal, 30% from natural gas, 19% from nuclear, and only 14% from all others.
Coal releases 100 times the radioactive material into the environment than nuclear releaces to generate the same power. Plus all the CO2.

So I say faze out coal, divert natural gas to transportation, encourage electric
for transportation (provided the toxic battery can be addressed), and replace all that electricity with nuclear.

"Nuclear Power
Nuclear power reactors, which use uranium, supply the United States with about 20 percent of its electricity. Our ability to produce power using radioactive materials reduces our reliance on fossil fuels.
Nuclear power plant operations account for less
than a hundredth of a percent of the average American's total radiation exposure."

"Background Annual Average Radiation Doses to the U.S. Population
Radiation Source Average Annual Whole Body
Dose (mrem/year)

Natural: Cosmic 26
Terrestrial 29
Radon 200
Internal (K-40, C-14, etc.) 40
Manmade: Diagnostic X-Ray 39
Nuclear Medicine 14
Consumer Products 11
All Others (fallout, nuclear power plants, air
travel, occupational, etc.) 2
Average Annual Total 361 mrem/year"




"the waste produced by coal plants is actually more radioactive than that generated by their nuclear counterparts. In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of power "

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste

 

Are you sure this study wasn't done by Michelle Bachman?

 

Haha. No man I think this subject matter is over Bachman's head. Besides isn't see on her last term or retiring from political office?


But Voyage, posted the link about the pebble-bed reactor, it's not perfect, but why aren't we using that design for a power plant? It reduces a LOT of risk of the current design we're using.