....Wait, so do liberals want big governmennt who takes your guns, or "no god, no country, no masters"? Those look to be the type of little shits who promote a fascist type of anarchy, ironically enough. You must believe as they do, share their convictions, and be willing to live in danger so that they can do anything they want. I'm all for civil disobediance, and for the building of a more perfect system of government or lack thereof, but I'm not for ruining everything that the whole human experience has build for because of a few whiny "anarchists".
Our military is obviously not doing great things. I never said it was okay, you obviously have no idea what I'm about, and no idea what just about anybody on this forum is about. Regardless of your opinion of any particular military operation, it's imperitive to the safety of the US, and the safety of the world, that the US armed forces follow civillian orders, the key is to change the nature of those orders. Regardless, it's not the individual infantrymen's faults. It's a military machine designed to find people who are not old enough or mature enough to be in those types of situations, and in effect, break them and arrest their development to keep them 18 for ever, because you can make 18 year olds do horrible things, they're still learning who they are and about the world at large. I think that the military should be entirely restructured, in such a way that it does not work like this at all. But that does not mean "fuck the troops", it means fuck the people who built a system designed to turn high school kids into (at best) sociopathic killers. Grow the fuck up.
I disagree with all wars, unless in direct defence of our way of life, but i support the troops no matter what. My opinion of Chairman and all his supporters are that they are yellow and their bravery is tied in to their keyboards, i wonder if they would step up to the plate if their 'freedom' or 'families' are under threat. At least they have the right to voice their shit, a lot of countries would have ensured their disappearance. Imagine a world where Hitler had won WW2, are you blond and blue eyed Chairman?
patriotisme is not goud ting. it is a specie of the racisme.. it is to sea not bad face of nation in blind(?) way to say it is parfait. All have suffer. love for one culture is goud ting. when one love culture thes person want to share. Patriot share not nothing. Bref soldats is responsables for tings they do. Politiques kill not soldats kills En french underneat Désolé mais ça prend la tête à Papineau et la bière s'exprime mieux dans une bouche Dans nos sociétés enrichies, mais incapables d'éradiquer les phénomènes d'exclusion sociale en leur propre sein, le silence acheté par l'illusion du confort pour la grande majorité des consommateurs remplit la même fonction que l'omerta mafieuse. Les intimidations sont officielles et encouragées par les Etats : si nous consommons moins, nous ne sommes pas de "bon patriotes" puisque nous ne participons pas à la croissance économique qui est censée apporter des bienfait à tout le monde.
We've been trying it your way since the end of World War II and look where that's got us. All with the mindless support and encouragement from the braindead American public. Boo hoo, poor little soldiers fulfilling Call Of Duty fantasies and waving American flags because they dropped out of high school and are too stupid to do anything else. Boo hoo, poor little soldiers with arrested development because they chose to join the military. Boo hoo, poor little soldiers with PTSD because they invaded a foreign country and murdered people. Boo hoo, poor little soldiers who are (at best) sociopathic killers. Sorry, my sympathies are reserved for the victims of the American military. The Vietnamese, the Afghans, the Iraqis, and so on, who were killed by US aggression. The fact that you think of the American thugs before the innocent foreign civilians who suffered shows that you're nothing but another dumb, Western racist who refuses to condemn the real people responsible.
If anyone's braindead it's someone like you who buys into all the anarchist propaganda he can get his hands on. I fully believe in dissent, have marched in some protests myself, but ignorant extremist assholes like you who see conspiracies behind every rock and tree give the movement a bad name, not that you give a shit. Get a grip, get a clue, get a life!!
Not everyone - but yeah,certain ones that are not from the OP. I wonder who could be thumbing us all down? mmmmm
Did i say National Interests ????? For thousands of years in order to establish government it has been necessary to commit violence, surely the feudal days should be at an end now, I guess we still thrive on our basic instincts, the instinct to kill to hurt to maim...fuck it all...
this is true if you don't support the war it is illogical to support the brainwashed nationalists that fuel it.
I agree. soldiers enlist and put their lives in harms way consciously. Unless theres a draft these soldiers are the lowest lifeforms in society. people big enough and mean enough to carry a gun and kill innocent people overseas and not care. they are the problem. and then they gain rank and feel powerful. if everybody had a brain and was informed there wouldn't be wars, no one would enlist. they would need a draft. but they scout them in highschool with rotc programs and they get them when they're young and by then they are brainwashed. your average typical grunt soldier is an uneducated bully who enlists to take out his anger on foreign people. ultimately.
and yet there aren't any jobs nowadays so peoples only hope to survive is to enlist and that's a real shame. america is no longer land of the free, home of the brave...
A long time ago, when I left school and joining the armed services might have been an option, what put me off more than anything was the people I knew who did join up. To a man (and one or two women) they were people I considered should under no circumstances be allowed access to offensive weapons. They were mean assholes at school, and the very idea of putting them, while still teenagers, in positions of power over other people makes me shudder. Even when not involved in foreign adventuring - except for the Falklands, of course (two bald men fighting over a comb) and civil war in Ulster, anyone who lived in or near a garrison town in the 1970s or 80s in Britain might remember the gangs of drunken squaddies out looking for trouble - kicking the shit out of Punks being a favorite pastime. These guys were protecting us ? Who was protecting us from them ? People are - or have every opportunity to be - better informed than ever, but there will still be violent assholes willing to join up. About 5 years ago I was working at a place where there was a guy who had been accepted for the Royal Marines and was just waiting for his mobilisation orders. All the asshole could talk about was going to Iraq "to kill some towelheads". I've no idea what happened to him, but if I heard he'd come back in a body bag, I wouldn't have shed many tears. He certainly wasn't fighting to protect me. If you support the troops, you support what they're doing and who they're doing it for - and you better believe they aint doing it for you, suckers. .
I must say, those I've known have, as soldiers, disgusted me. Even those who I really like on every other level. But that doesn't mean that the way things are is their fault. It's the fault of the military and leaders, for exploiting people who are not ready for that.
I have held off on this thread for a while, compiling my thoughts. My initial answer would have been much harsher, but what I am going to impart will be relatively mild. I do not support the troops. What I mean by that is that I abhor those support the troops stickers because it is honestly an ignorant salutation to ego. Also, I do not support the troops because I am tired of hearing the excuse that the troops did not know what they were getting into. Oh, you did not know that you were going to be killing innocent people? You knew it, but you put that thought on the back burner because the recruiter informed you that you would probably never see real action. Am I right? That is how they work after all. In order to recruit you, they must tell the lies. Yes, those in charge of employing the troops should be the ones to blame, but I am not entirely convinced that the troops are absolutely blameless.
