Fuck the elections

You don't live in America and see some of the people we have to pay for to have "free" healthcare.

I know, I am cold, but I am just sick of the scum in this country. There are parasitic people both at the bottom and the top of the proverbial ladder.

When you live in a country where people who DON'T work have better access to medical treatment than those who do (but make very little money), you know something isn't right.

 

Just wish there was a way to get money to the people who really need it while not to people like the ones you speak of. Not feasible though... so we're left with a choice - give benefits to all of them, or give benefits to none of them.

 

There are people paying millions. Me? I am mandated to give about 1/3 of our household income to taxes, not including sales tax. That's a lot of money.

I really have no understanding how you cannot support schools, being that you were a child once who received education, but you support those who refuse to contribute to society. I'm sorry, but I believe you are calling the wrong people selfish.

 

I was being sarcastic?

 

fuck the erections.

 

Fuck the police! Oohh sorry wrong forum.

 

Likewise here in the UK, we all get 'pissed off' here what both parties are going do..............

 

Likewise here in the UK, we all get 'pissed off' here what both parties are going do..............

 

No, sorry that was not directed at you.

 

No one is stopping you from joining the ranks of the poor and becoming a lifetime ward of the state through monthly welfare checks, food stamps, subsidized housing, and free medical care



Hotwater

 

Hello,

here we see the big difference between German society (or maybe European societies in general) and the US society. We believe in the society as a whole and we like to pay for social security systems. US people tend think that every man forges his own destiny.

Well, some few people understand that the american dream is over. Furthermore in most societies there will never be enough jobs for everyone again. One might think about adapting to this situation.

Regards
Gyro

 

Remember, the elections only happen every four years. So when they do they are unsurprisingly pretty big news. But once they are over most people forget they even happened. UK elections are not quite the production as they are in the US, so I can't really empathise with how it feels to have months of campaigning and adverts hurled at you constantly. However, we did have the olympics this year. That seemed like it took over the whole news agenda and seemed like there was nothing else on tv. Now, you would hardly know it happened.

Those that like the elections or the olympics don't find it draining to the soul.
Those that do not like the elections or the olympics do.
You just have to grin and bare it. It won't last forever.

I read this as the response to PR's post. I agreed with it - then realised he wasn't responding to that particular point.

I think the point of 'free' healthcare is that it benefits everybody. The parasites and the 'hard working folks' - one definitely outweighs the other and it isn't really a good argument not to have 'free' healthcare, imho.

 

I think the reasoning for not having universal healthcare given in this thread is largely emotional and not really based on factual information or logic.
Have you guys against universal healthcare considered cost? As in, cost of personal insurance versus percentage of tax those in other countries pay towards healthcare.

I pay a pretty large chunk of change for my health insurance. My health insurance has a deductible and doesn't cover everything. I recently gave birth and ended up owing thousands after my health insurance paid. Luckily I qualified for Medicaid which picked up the rest. I'm not scum. I'm not a parasite. I work and pay taxes and pay my insurance. I am very grateful for Medicaid but I feel like if the system were streamlined a bit we could introduce a universal system and still come out paying less than we currently pay on insurance premiums and taxes for our current healthcare system.

Plus our current insurance system is one factor amongst many driving up cost.

Have you guys compared cost spent on healthcare in the US and other countries? A few years ago I did some research on France's healthcare system. At the time they were ranked the best healthcare system in the world by the WHO. They pay their doctors a wage comparable to American doctors. And they actually spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the US.

Lastly I just want to point out that when those parasites on the park bench have a major medical problem they generally aren't left to die. They are taken to the ER and the cost is later absorbed by the tax payer.

Personally I would rather have a system in place where a percentage of our taxes equalling less than the average insurance premium is used to fund 100 percent of all medical services to 100 percent of US citizens.

 

bump I'm not voting I'm so sick of all the junk phone calls and the junk mail

 

I got $120 riding on it, I'm glued to the charade.

 

When people compare the US to other countries that have "free" healthcare, they don't seem to be aware of the fact that it really would never work because there is too much of an entitlement system in this country, on top of all the people who come to this country from elsewhere to use the system. Most other countries don't have that. It would be a total mess, and the healthcare of those who pay the most into it would definitely suffer.

That's not to say that the current healthcare system in the US is any good, because it's not.... unless you're rich.

To me, I am all about taking care of oneself. I don't worry about healthcare because I am healthy. Frankly, the government can take their health "care" and shove it up their ass. I have no use for it. If I get into a car accident, I am not going to be left dead at the side of the road.

It seems like healthcare in America is worst for the Middle Class. The rich can afford it, and the poor pretty much have it given to them.

 

Yup fuck em. I'll be pissed if either of them win. I'm in no hurry to hear this bullshit.

 

But but but.... it's so much more fun to take sides and join a team. Hence the importance placed on sports in Western societies.

 

And to be quite honest, I think that is the way it should be. When it was that way (it's not anymore), America was a prosperous country, but over time the system created dependency, and now look where we're at. This country is a joke now. It's hard for most people to forge their own destiny when economic warfare is being waged on them and their money affords them less and less thanks to the fiat money system that controls the politicians of both major political parties in this country. (Politicians abroad, too.) Yet, few people talk about this, much less know about it, because the media ignores it.

Well, I understand the American dream is over and has been for some time. Again, governments create dependency, then out of desperation and loss of will people lose sight over the fact of exactly why they are in the predicament they are in to begin with, and they become content to be dependent on the system that created their problems to begin with. I don't look at government as helping people, because I am aware of how they create problems to basically gain more control over people and ensnare them in the system. That is what government run healthcare is really all about: controlling people. People who think it's about the government helping them are brainwashed.

 

nothing will change if you don't change it. There are 6 people on my ballet running for president.