Fuck Islam

How is modern liberalism fucked? That's a huge question.

Some of the ways would include casino economics, economic instability and widening gap between the rich and the rest. Environmental destruction. Hypocritical attitudes towards foreign states. Reliance on violence to attain geopolitical ends. There's a few things for starters. There are good things about it too. I'm not suggesting we tear it down, but deep changes are needed IMO.

My own personal attitude towards Islam had formed before 9/11 and the start of the war on terror. I don't feel I need to list my problems with it once again.
Even if there was no threat from extreme fanatics, I still would not like it. But I want to make it clear I don't hate Muslims in general, or in particular. I just think human beings need to move beyond that level.

The one's who suffer most are Muslims. In many ways.

 

Thanks for explaining, and a great post. I agree with everything except...:

We need to beyond the that level. Beyond the level of (organized) religion you mean? Personally I lost that conviction (no I didn't join one ). I just think we all need to get over eachother where it comes to someone elses ideology or religious beliefs wether they are practised in an organized form or not. Where it comes to fundamentalistic extremism and terorrism of any kind it is different of course.

 

Thanks Asmo.

I mean really that human societies need to change beyond the level where religion is often not a choice, but something you are required to engage in. In many Islamic countries, the penalty for apostasy is death. I find that disturbing. Probably that is one aspect of Islamic fundamentalism.

Although I might disagree with someone's beliefs, I respect their right to believe what they want until they then want to impose this on others with threats. When you have a religious model for a state based on Islamic law, that;s just what you get unfortunately. So it seems to me.

In the end, what really concerns me about all this are the human rights issues involved.

 

If you are going to get beyond being compelled then get beyond it in every sphere. To complain about religion being indoctrinated in absence of all the other compulsory activities we subject ourselves to seems to me to genuinely miss the mark about what is ultimately needed or desired. It becomes in this case sort of the flavor of the day when it is probably best not to eat that ice cream at all.

 

Fuck the multi-national corporations,fuck the glorification of violence,fuck government enforced education syllabuses,fuck glamour body fascism,fuck factory farming,fuck human trafficking and child labour and fuck moral agenda and just let the people do what they gonna do anyway.Most of your average Muslims across the globe are simply devout to a cause which they sometimes take a little too seriously.What has emerged is a culture clash which is not helped by reactionary bigotry.Maybe the developed 1st World should take a look it's own cesspit of geopolitical blunders and continuing internecine meddling before it slanders a whole diaspora of basically decent human beings who just want safety and the basics of a decent and peaceful existence.

 

fuck everything..

 

fuck religious prejudice of every kind. the only reason islam is singled out, and arabic and persian islam and not chinese, philipine or indonesian islam, is oil, and oil is bacause idiots are branwashed into equating their cars with freedom.

 

I love that there is so much reasonable stuff said, especially on the last few pages of this thread. It would feel a bit hopeless if on this hippiesite no-one would express some real understanding of people that happen to think and believe different than ourselves. After all, how can we have our precious peace and love without understanding, right.

 

I think it's quite possible to dislike a particular ideology without having to resort to hatred of those who subscribe to it. I know it sounds a little conceited, but I do tend to think of them as victims. Even the extremists are often victims.

If you're a 14 year old Iraqi kid who has seen their family killed in an air-strike, there are no clinics in most of those countries where you could go to get treated for PTSD and whatever other effects that kind of trauma must have. Along come the fundamentalist preachers with their promise of paradise and being reunited with those loved one's and getting revenge on those who killed them - Well, I expect most of us have thought through that one, but I think it is important to see where the roots of some at least of the current outbreak of violence comes from.

For so called 'home-grown' terrorists, like the guys who blew up the London tube, it probably comes from having a value system which is entirely incompatible with that of the surrounding dominant culture in which you live.Especially when their value system includes a militaristic and aggressive version of their religion.
Probably, more should have been done in the UK to try to integrate Muslim immigrants.
Certainly, we shouldn't have gone into Iraq.

We're fortunate in the west to have the benefits of education, relatively free speech, choice and so on. Things which millions of people don't have, some because of Islam, or the way in which Islam is actually practised in some countries. My own anti-Islamic sentiments are aimed mainly in the direction of wanting to see a world free of human rights abuses, and where people are free to choose for themselves what they believe or disbelieve.

 

what you have said, i don't know how people can ignore the reality of that, other then how we are constantly being told to, by corporate infotainment that so many people, seem and act as if they buy into.

when one understands what all ideology really is and is about, (the manufacture of consent), it is quite possible to feel the same well founded dislike, equally, for all of them.

just as it is possible to dislike how every belief is capable of being used as an excuse for fanaticism,
without having to hate the idea of belief, nor of their being greater things then ourselves, which in reality, we know nothing about.

 

Even if all religion were destroyed people would fight and argue over some other stupid shit. Like what other people got they ain't got which people already do. Short of a shit ton of nukes there ain't gonna stop people from arguing and killing each other. The best we can do is try to become as peaceful as possible and when shit like this happens squash the pissant that started the fire

 

I glorify the use of violence to stop violence aimed towards me. People learn to fuck off most of the time when bullets start flying and if they don't they get dead so either way problem solved. Violence would not need to be resorted to if people didn't go starting little shit elears with each other and people stopped doing stuff they know gets you shot at

 

Indeed, thats what people do. Always have, always will. Just look at what goes on within familes and scale it up. A couple fight for instance, and each of them believes they are in the right. Eventually one will usually (grudgingly) admit they are wrong and things will get patched up. In order for this to happen they have to just shape up and admit their wrongness/stupidity/greed/jealousy/fear or whatever it was - and get over it. Its just being human. We are all faulty in some respect. Its about owning and facing up to this.
Make the right choice - be a decent person.

 

When it comes to things we are supposed to care about in our daily lives, religous tolerance comes in probably 617th

Not getting BBQ'd on your way to work probably in the top 100

How much money we get in the top 5

As we saw with the demonstrations after Paris, wouldnt take all that much for the majority to change their thinking

An increase over an extended period of these style attacks, and I dont think it would take as much as we think it would for the first world at least to start rounding them up, putting them in camps etc , moderate or not

Already kind of happening, ISIS seemingly moving into Libya as well now, the strategy from the west seems to be, oh well, we will just let these areas go, they will attract all the jihadists, then we just bomb the crap out of them from the air, problem pairtially at least solved. one dead foreign fighter in Kobane means one less potential nutjob on the streets of Paris, New York, London. Even though it might mean hell on earth for some of those minorities in these areas

 

i hate islam too..it's horrible. i had bombs on my street growing up. it was horrible. we ended up moving away. i am somewhat happier now. i hate religion.

 

:alien:

 

Love islam. Love everyone and just pray for them and love life try not to get blown up.

 

I'm personally a big fan of Islam. In fact, I love it