Fuck Islam

lt is a fact that I am consideredheretical by many around many issues ut my wisdom speaks for itself. You cannot claim that i am unresonable or that I neglect the worth of any.

 

Your right - that is the mainstream Muslim belief. I've heard it directly from Muslims.

 

There is saying attruted to jesus that goes like u see john (the baptist,) eating locusts and honey and say he is a wild man and you see me eating and drinking and call me a drunkard and a glutton but wisdom is justified by her deeds.

 

and what that means with reasoned analysis is that they regard the material as authoritatve. God is that which we invoke.

 

That's right, they regard it as authoritative; the direct and literal word of god. Have you come full circle in a few posts? I feel you still disagree with this assertion.

 

what is the difference whether the authority is called god or the dictionary the salient point is that it is regarded as authoritive. I havent much cause to doubt the authority of what I find in the dictionary. It is simply the word god that throws you in seeing the common dynamic that exists for us all. We all choose with a guide.

 

You might not doubt the authority of the dictionary but only because it makes very pedestrian statements and assertions, and it does not claim to be divine word.

The Quran is claimed to be the divine word of the creator of the universe, and it compels those who wish to be in god's grace to wage jihad against unbelievers and spread islam across the world.

It matters very much who the authority is. Context is everything.

 

when you read the book for yourself then you tell me what you think it says otherwise you are relying on hearsay. Yes context is everything if it is your context. As far as I can see you have no first hand understanding of the material and it shows. You just talk about what they say or what you have heard. Not a very honest treatment of the subject by someone who is otherwise intelligent. It is not true what you say about regard for the dictionary it doesnt make pedestrian statements we poisit as containing a complete account of the meaning of words. Quite a bit more involved than the humble pedestrian. It seems to me a scientist would give equal weight to the study of phenomena not reject them on matters of faith or hearsay.

 

http://www.whyislam.org/submission/the-holy-quran/the-origin-of-the-quran/

http://www.godallah.com/is_quran_from_god.php

http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-about-islam/faith-and-worship/quran-and-scriptures/166153-proving-the-quran-is-the-word-of-god.html?Scriptures=

It's not hearsay, it's more like peer review. It is common knowledge in Islam that the Quran is the direct word of God. The Quran itself claims this. I don't understand your point of contention. I don't need to read the Quran cover to cover to believe this claim; if ~100% of muslims say the Quran is the direct word of god, then I can say "Muslims think the quran is the direct word of god" extremely confidently. I don't understand your point of contention. I am talking about theological matters for a religion I am not a part of and do not believe in; I must appeal to the authority of those who do and can speak for it.

I don't need to read the bible cover to cover to say "In the bible, jesus dies on the cross for the sins of mankind".

 

It should be obvious that it was a show of force by alquada. If the cartoonists hadn't drawn the cartoons something else would have served as the provocation and, in fact, the jews shopping the grcoery store proved an equally opportunity and were used as such..

The real issue being the necessity of alquada organizing in France there is no point wringing our hands over freedom of expression. If it were not the cartoons it would have been women walking without their head covered, or nude pictures, or just a random bloke standing on the corner, or anything else. The goal was to demonstrate that some person or institution could be destroyed for the crime of coming to the attention of alquaeda and an/imaginary/under construction muslim eye. That eye doesn't exist but alquada wants to create the fear that it does. The right to meter out violence on behalf of !!!!!a non existent islamic state that doesn't exist but alquada or some other group wants to pretend it does!!!!..

I don't support the vile, racist, sexist, bigotted, badly drawn cartoons of charlie helbdo.. In fact the proper supporters of those cartoons is probably Marinele Pen and her French Fuck Nationalist party, or in this country, a right wing which happilly consumes any attack on islam and muslims and ignores the other attacks on the vcatholic church when it suits them.. But those cartoons are not actually very important. The circulation of charlie helbdo is meaningless and has an insignificant number of viewers in real world terms. wasnt til the internet force fed it to me did I see them.

This had nothing to do with freedom of speech or the cartoons.. These guys are soldiers on a mission in their imaginary pathetic unholy war. The cartoonists were no more than an any other target they had been told to take, or a town they had been told to destroy, for tactical reasons.

The only fucking words from the Quran these militants know is Allah Akbar... Thats as far as their reading skills go.

 

To wtiter you are not privy to any peer review you not considering them peers nor having examined the thesis for yourself. A scientist reviews the document before he even comments on peer interpretation. You have no legimate voice on any quality of this issue having not done the investgation required.

 

Good point. Probably true.

 

Fine, forget the peer review analogy.

All I'm saying is, "According to Islam, the Quran is the direct word of God". To which you reply, "No it isn't, that's a misinterpretation, you haven't read the book". To which I reply, "No, but a billion muslims have, and all agree with me. I've actually never heard anybody ever claim that the Quran does NOT claim to be the direct word of god".

Have I missed a step somewhere? What exactly is your point? That I can't comment unless I read the Quran for myself? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I have no interest in doing so and it's beside the point; I don't NEED to read it to assert these things. You can call it hearsay if you want, I accept the hearsay of a billion muslims regarding their own religious text.

 

that is not my reply. My reply is investigate for yourself. What does the term god mean to you. It is on this basis you are judging what you see.

 

Funny I dont rely on what anyone says I put it to the test.

 

Put what to the test. The quran says: "I am the direct word of god." Muslims say: "The quran is the direct word of god". Thedope says "check yourself" ?!? I don't understand. There is no checking, I am merely repeating a claim made by muslims and the quran. I am truly baffled about what it matters what my own opinion of the situation is.

My own opinion is complex. For one, I certainly do not believe in the existence of the god Allah.

 

yes you are apeing what you heRd you still haven' defined what your idea of god is only that you dont believe in your own idea.

 

No I don't believe in THEIR idea of god. Allah is not my idea of god. My idea of god (defined as "the highest and deepest principle of reality") is the whole dance of the cosmos in its entirety. But I choose to not use the term because for most people the connotation is more akin to a director of the dance.

 

then you take that understanding to interpret what they mean by god or rather with the words of tto thee quran. I would use the sanskrit translation because it is the technical or scientific language created to deal with these subjects. I havd much the same view as you and I find just listenning to the first few phrases impress me as containing deep familiarity with our human condition and our potential relationships with phenomena.

 

what happens when you get to some petty tribal mentality revenge shit . . . do you pass over it?