Fuck Christianity!!!

It's first born sons, according to the most common interpretation, and as long as it doesn't contradict other things during any conversation (like why pharoh's first born son was spared). God took the time to warn HIS people though...wasn't that nice?

 

To be with God one must be perfect... The human race is not perfect... There is not one perfect person on this planet. So to be with God and to enter heaven one must also be perfect... so then how does a flawed person enter heaven-a perfect place? The answerL: By accept the perfect sacrifice (Jesus). That is one's ticket into heaven. God will no longer see sin in a person because the perfect sacrifice, Jesus, has cleansed the sins of that person's life away and they are now permissable for the Kindom of God.

Also, keep in mind that God is a just and fair God. I am not sure exactly how He deals with the deaths of young ones, perhaps he looks to the future and sees how they would have turn out. OR perhaps because of their youth they never had a chance to accept God and therefore He would give them a free ticket to heaven. The Bible is not exactly clear on this topic. What it is clear on however, is God is a fair God.

 

Pharoh had 9 other plaques, how much warning does one need?

 

So you are saying that god treated pharoh's people the same as the isrealites? Pharoh's people were also told that their first born son's were going to die unless they put blood on the door? No, this sounds like revenge killing to me. Killing a bunch of kids, husbands, and fathers because they wont bow to you, because their culture believes and behaves differently (I mean, it isn't about the slavery, because god knows that those that follow His religion loved them slaves too - didn't see their boy's dying). Oh, what a wonderful being! I feel like falling to my knees and singing his glories!!!

 

First of all, the Egyptians hated a God of justice and they embraced a god of evil. And don't get it on your head that he Egytians were a wonderful group of people they had enslaved and killed many people for many of years. What happened there was a simple judgement and what happed is they did not honor the God of all creation. The God they worshipped was the devil. All the Jews wanted was to be left alone... don't act like God is the bully here.

 

So you are mad at God, because God did not allow Pharoh to kill the Jews. You agree with Pharoh that the Jews should be in slavery and that Pharoh would be allowed to murder them whenever he wanted too. Now that is warped thinking.

 

No, I'm not mad at god, I don't believe in him. I am just pointing out how rediculous the whole concept is. A loving god who created us and wants us to be with him who will slaughter your first-born if you aren't careful.

It shouldn't be any more ok for pharoh to murder people than god, unless double-standards is the name of the game. Did the first-born of every family under pharoh make decisions for the man? No, so why should they suffer? What about all of your god's followers that have inslaved people all over the globe? Why no attack against their first-born sons? Double-standard, or just evidence that there is no loving, caring god that wants us to be with him in heaven for eternity?

 

God DOES have more of a right to take life because he has FAR MORE knowledge than any human. God knows all circumstances and all of people's hearts. Pharoh was one sided and only knew his heart. God is a just God and does what is fair. He has the authority to give life and to take it away. Double Standard? Not even...

 

Just because their gods are not your gods doesnt make them Evil. Its all about viewpoint... because we could argue your god is evil through murder(which is sort of what we are doing) I dont think it is evil rather its insanity.

 

Perhaps if you saw through the God of the Bible's eyes it would depict another view. He sees all views, you only see through your own.

 

at least it is his own, you view the world through the eyes of a sheep.

 

very nice. I echo a similar story. God found me in my life, rather than in a church. I go now on occasion to listen to others, but I do not subscribe to 'organized' religion and pay people to run them. In all of my posts here I am not bashing 'churches' but saying they are far from the 'body of believers' that the apostles address in their respective letters. Just the list: methodist, brethren, lutheran, baptist, assembly of god, nostic, weslyean, whatever, etc, contradict each other in their statements of faith and practice. If that is 'Christianity' then I understand someone saying...F- it.

I love Jesus and I try to surrender my life to him every day. It doesn't always happen the way it should. What I do know is that much of christianity would crucify Christ right now if he was here, the same way the Jews did the first time...even as Christians.

 

Yes a sheep of Christ....

John 10

The Shepherd and His Flock

1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

19At these words the Jews were again divided. 20Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?" (Sounds familar)

21But others said, "These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"

 

Damn, i've had my head in the sand and i missed this interesting thread.

Anyway, i always found michael to be quite rational. I was wrong. George Harrison would be ashamed. Sadly, hippies can be ignorant fuckheads too.

 

JD4U I have constantly asked you here and on pm to stop talking to people as if you speak for Jesus Christ. You do not, assuredly. Your comment about God being 'fair and just' in unfounded and very typical of 'christian' responses. There were many races enslaved along with the Jews. Why did God not aid them as well...did that God allow Pharoh to kill all those other races of people? Is that a fair and just God? You are warped in your thinking because you confuse the OT as more than the History and Religion of the Jewish people, specifically Exodus here. Yet you take this as something much more than it is...and I have heard this type of 'christian' talk many times.

God is God, and 'fair' and 'just' has litte to do with it. You do not need to justify yourself to the fish in your fishtank; niether does God need to justify himself to us. Because under the human definitions of 'fair' and 'just', Jehova of the OT does not match up....he cannot. The God of all creation does not only reveal a 'personal' identity to small numbers and expect that to make the difference. Christ however does. He is not Jehova, God of the Jews, but God of all. He accepted all, even those crucifying him, which shows 'he' is fair and just.

God killed himself. He chose to take his own life in front of us and that sacrifice undid all the other sacrifices that OT God had demanded from his Jewish people up till that point. Jesus is a revolutionary who tore down the old religion and raised something new. Please JD4U stick to the New Testament, which your handle exclaims, and leave your watery conjecture and misinformation of OT.

I believe in Christ. What I write here are my thoughts and in no way should be taken to represent 'christianity' or Jesus. I do the best with what I feel I have come to learn and understand within my own heart and head, to me.

 

-If the the OT is only a history of the Jewish religon WHY is their 300 prophecies that speak of Jesus Christ. I do not take it more than what it is YOU ignore the obvious prophetic authority of this book.

-Jesus did not change the OT, He fulfilled it (Period) Without the OT there would have be NO Jesus Christ. A billion people believe in Jesus today because of the prophecies of the OT.

 

^^^

God is speaking to me right now and he is saying: "That guy is so annoying, tell him to shutup for me"

Shutup.

 

What have I done wrong? I discuss my beliefs just like everyone else... Yet I am annoying... how?

 

Just one example.

Your hypocritical attitude another.

Your pious rambling.

Your incredible "god-like" faith in your own opinions.

This is fun.

 

If I was your professor I would fail you for not listening. I did not say it is 'only' the history...but for your purposes you should leave it at that because you do not know what you are takling about in relation to them. Where do I say that there aren't 300 prophecies? And to be contextual, there are 300 prophecies that speak of 'the messiah'. You choose to believe Jesus Christ is the messiah, but an entire religion based on the OT does not. So please, your comment about Christ being the messiah in the OT is only contextual within the New Testament. You are so far out of your depth and you responses really say something poor about common sense. Every post you refer to OT is completely unsubstantiated. I have studied the OT, some under the Word of Life theolgical stance. Please do not think you have any gained knowledge that is above me.

Also, Jesus tore the veil in two. It was 'rent'...do you understand what that means? The OT provides a role for a future messiah. Jesus claims to be just that. Who is Jesus however without the NT? He is not. So while the OT is the 'donkey' he road in on, it is not the 'cross' he road out on. It's like the old car he left on the side of the road.