Fuck Christianity!!!

possibly. nature is getting back at mankind.

 

Opinions can be changed and yet in the process of debating I learn as well.

 

So the moon being red in Alabama last night was one of the bibles prophecies?

kick ass.

 

When the moon turns blood red everyone will see it. Up here in MI it hasn't turned blood red yet...

 

well you said bingo, maybe you shouldnt talk out of your ass anymore.

 

That explains it more clearly...I've been reading yours and Campbell's posts for awhile now and can't see anything would change your faith. I guess my view is that God is all-powerful and is always free to make the decision not to come through exactly per scripture...but that wouldn't alter the basic fact of his existence and nor change his relationship with an individual...it would be a shallow believer who would abandon God under those circumstances.

 

ha ha ha....it will always be the end time! Paul's second letter to Thessalonians was to tell them to stop sitting around waiting for Christ. The basic impression is that many of the believers there stopped working and spent all day sitting on rooftops waiting for Christ to come down. At least that is the image I've always envisioned. It has been a few thousand years since then, and it's still the end times.

...are you saying that the physical composition of the moon's surface will change to a blood red colour? The moon has no doubt been red for my eyes various times in my 30 years so far, an atronomical event. Of course, my arguement is the same as it always is...an overliteral interpretation of the bible leads to destruction, i.e. the Word of Life school I left behind.

and that is what being a 'christian' is supposed to be all about!

 

EXACTLY. By binding God to the sripture of the bible a person discredits his sovereignty as God. If anything, it puts God under human constraints, as the bible is language within the human framework. Language is something that seperates humanity from animals, i.e. 'call systems' etc. My point in saying that is, however, that human language is what sets us as the highest, most complex being on the face of earth. To the animals, we are gods. If humanity then tries to confine the greater creator as we imagine what that is, we strongarm God's character and capabilities to some written words that have lasted a few thousand years. Then people aren't using common sense very much. Oh and my point about animals to humans is only meant to laugh at the idea that while we think it is ridiculous than an animal would know and understand humanity, we simulatenousy do the same with God, using the words he gave us. But is God greater than his words? He must be; if not than he cannot be God.

A shallow believer indeed! I will believe in Christ regardless of anything that points me otherwise, expecially if it is coming from me. I have effectively proven that Christ could be the devil on another thread ages ago...yet I still believe.
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2111398#post2111398

My mind will always look to disprove God...it's the human condition. My faith is living, breathing...it is the new life given to me by Jesus and that is my living proof. I'd rather talk about my personal experiences with non-believers than the bible...which has no meaning if your not a reader and believer in what it supports.

 

No, the generation that Jesus was speaking of was the generation that saw the fulfillment of the parable of the fig tree. And this is why Jesus said to learn the parable of the fig tree. This was spoken in Matthew 24 verse 32. and in verse 34 he then said this generation will not pass away until all things be fulfilled. Jesus already had stated in the same chapter that Jerusalem was going to be destroyed and it was 70 years later. Yet Jesus also said that the Gospel would be preached in ALL THE WORLD. And Christ told them that conditions will get so bad, that if it were not for his return ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH WOULD DIE. Outside of the destruction of Jerusalem, none of these prophecies could of been fulfilled two thousand years ago. No, Jesus was not speaking of that generation, and if you go to the Old Testament you will see that the prophecies state that just before the end of time, God would allow the Jews to return to Israel one last time. That is where we are today, and this is the fulfillment of the Parable of the fig tree. The fig tree is the historic reference to the nation of Israel. And by the Jews returning to Israel, this has fulfilled both the prophecies of the Old and New Testaments.

 

fuck christianity.

 

It was not 3,000 years, but around 2,000 years. And scripture points out in both the Old Testament and the New Testaments, that the latter times will start when the nations of the world see the Jews return to the land of Israel, and have taken Jerusalem back by force. The moon will appear blood red after a nuke strike takes place against America. What is being described there is nuclear winter.

 

Right... My questions discredited that the generation that Jesus was talking about was his... The Generation that sees ALL those signs will be that generation.

 

If God does not do what he says according to his word he is a liar. I wouldn't trust a lying God... would you?

 

Liar is a strong pejorative term. I believe God holds all the cards, and reserves the right to change his mind about any previous promise, no notice necessary...he couldn't be God otherwise. Then it's our call - stick with him or abandon him.

 

Yes He has the power to lie... but it is not His nature. But if He did, His words would be flawed and there would be no foundation for faith. You could then have to believe blindly in a lying God... if there is a God?

 

Thats convienient. That covers several thousands of years.

My prophecy is that, before the sun devours the earth, that a
great man will be born, and his name shall be john.

 

Okay, another point I forgot to mention is when Jesus said this generation shall not pass away, He states that the generation would see the Gospel witness to the world. Last time I checked, when Jesus said that to the disciples, the Gospel had not even been created.


My prophecy is:

-The Jews would reclaim their land in Israel.

-They will relcaim Judea first and then Jerusalem second.

-They will be ruled by only one ruler as opposed to in the past when they were ruled by multiple leaders.

-And when they reclaim the land, the Jews will gather from all over the world and live there.

All of these things will happen... oh wait they have happened and they were written in the Bible thousands of years before they occured.

 

The Bible hadnt been created, the "gospel" is what Jesus was spreading.

dipshit.

 

let's change this topic in fuck extremists or something.
I have no problems with openminded christians at all, as well as open minded muslims buddists whatever. but extremists :$

 

nice use of 'pejorative' spook. And to me, what you've just said makes sense.

How does that work out? So are saying that you would judge and hold God according to what we, in human terms, define 'lying' as? See to me the very idea of something like that makes absolutely no sense within my idea of life and logical reality. And in saying that JD4U do you mean to say you would walk away from God if when the end came you saw all these people who didn't know Christ get treated as if they were prodigal children? Would you be angry and say, "Well that's opposite of what you said God." Would you take that to mean God lied? I mean I'm a follower of Christ...it's my hope that he'll treat everybody with compassion and grace.

I was born in 1975. My generation numbers hundreds of million, as every other generation before and after. I am a leaf blown by the wind for a fleeting moment in time. I would not hold God to my concepts of human meaning any more than I wouldn't expect and ant to hold me to theirs.

And about an afterlife or Jesus' return, for someone like me (testimony on another thread) just having experienced Christ's love and power in my life here on earth is more than enough.