Freedom Of Speech

I think that Muslims need to either step into the 21st century and make an effort to live with the world community, or stay in their little bubble and not come out. They can't control everything everyone says, does, reads, eats, or believes, and it isn't thier place to try. They at least need to learn to pick their battles. Unless they enjoy living in constant turmoil they need to step out of the middle ages and get with the times. I usually wouldn't have such a hash opinion, but I think the anger and extent of this rioting is absolutely rediculous. I always thought that the delusions many western christians are under is really sad, but the muslim world is just knee deep in BS and it definitely takes the cake. I have to say, I make a real effort to try and be sympathetic to a culture and people I know very little about, but they dont make it so easy. This whole thing has caused me to lose respect for the religion.

It is important for us all to respect eachother's beliefs, but that is a two way street. No one's life should be in danger because they wern't appropriately respectful to another's belief. People have died for islamic beliefs, people have died for freedoms like free speach. How can muslims demand respect when they refuse to respect our ideals?

 

Because spite is the most useful of all motivations.

 

As opposed to Americans who pretty much constantly interfere illegally in other countries' governments?

Once again, as opposed to Americans?

If this rioting we're only over some cartoon, then yes, it is overdone. It's about significant underlying issues however, and the amount of rioting is far less than probably deserved.

Less fucked than the majority of Western Institutions, however.

Or maybe you don't try hard enough. Did you care as much about half a million dead Iraqi children caused by UN-led sanctions as you did about Sept 11th victims?

You don't sound like you ever had any respect for the religion.

No one's life should be in jeapordy because their energy policies don't coincide with those of the US, but you still have it.

What else can you expect when Western Imperialism is the direct cause of a new sudden shift towards religious Fundamentalism.

 

the cartoon was quite funny on many levels, one being that if you are stupid eneough to invade muslim countries and spit on their religion suddenly its a mystery why they are getting angry. as for the danes its obvious they're getting pretty pissed off they haven't incurred enough casualties getting involved in other peoples wars. as for the muslims - well i guess when it comes to their religion they never really had much humour. as an aside i think their was some american mad mullah talking about killing president chavez recently. despite all this politically correct bs that flies around these days this century will be remembered for its intolerance.

 

hey, i'm not denying i'm a dick, i'm saying we have a right to be so, oh saintly one.

 

spooner ..your comments come from the deeper observations which are great and how it should be. unfortunately, most get influenced with the hype and the systematic brainwashin technique applied by the media outlets who've become mouth pieces of the "evil" politicians that rule our world while creatin gaps between peoples

 

That's where you're wrong. The Koran tells Moslems they are required to subjugate the Earth until everyone is Muslim or a slave. Or dead.

 

....says the Grand Mufti IronGoth!

 

Would you like me to quote the Koran?

 

I guess not. You'll just malign and then run.

"How dare you say that Mohammed said kill people! How dare you say we kill people! I will now wave a placard saying BEHEAD YOU! And torch buildings!!!!!"

"Um, how about rebutting what he said?"

 

is it too late to put the Mufti b4 your nick ?

 

Yeah it is. Shall I start quoting?

 

it aint friday yet ! or do you do it on sabbath ?

 

Why don't you explain to me how American ideals are more oppressive than muslim ideals...Do we riot in the streets because South Park makes fun of Jesus? Are people of other belief systems unsafe here because we threaten to behead infidels?

There is no reason to infer that I support the Iraq war or do not care for muslim lives just because I think this rioting is rediculous and a sets a poor example of the muslim religion. I have always been strongly opposed to the war, mortified over civillian lives lost, and disgusted by the greed of our political leaders. If you want to delve into my past posts you will see that I myself have made the comparison to the amount of lives lost on 9/11 to the civilian casualties in Iraq.

I will say it again. Respect is a two way street. It takes a lot of audacity to demand the entire world respect their very strict religous beliefs when they can't offer the same for our freedoms. Their expectations cannot (and should not) be taken seriously in this manner.

 

i have seen your past posts and also seen the balanced, objective views ..unfortunately thats what they were, past

 

Well that is a matter of opinion. I haven't changed overnight just so I can bust Muslim's chops.

 

Stoney likes his drive-by nothing accusations.

I can play this game too stoney

I see you're still crowing the way you do, eh.

 

which would be an opinion too

 

In 1954, the CIA trained and funded guerilla fighters to remove Guatemala's democratically elected leader, President Jacoba Arbenz because he began nationalizing United Fruit property. This put an end to the "Ten Year Spring", a period of sweeping politcal, social, and economic reforms.

The CIA appointed successor, Col. Carlos Castillo Armas put an end to free speech, trade unions, agarian reform, etc, as well as ordered the butchering of what is suspected to be over 80,000 people.

I can name a dozen similar events caused directly by the USA.

Excuse me if I don't believe your "American Ideals" aren't oppressive.

Just because Americans have different taboos than Muslims hardly makes them a more rational people. Would Americans accept accept Iraqi newspapers publishing cartoons complimenting Osama Bin Laden for his destruction of the Twin Towers?

No. But muslims everywhere are unsafe because Western media systematically seperates them into an out-group believed to be fundamentally different from us. Muslims are unsafe because America is willing to invade their countries for material gain. Muslims are unsafe because Americans are constantly sending military equipment to a nation which butchers them.

Perhaps. But it sounds like to me that you have inherited your country's insideous bias towards them.

If you don't take their message seriously when they say it in a (relatively) peaceful manner, then you are encouraging them to say it with Planes and Buildings. Regardless of whether it is "right" or not.

 

wow, i suppose that last rule flies in every direction. sad thing.