Freedom Of Hate Speech

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  1. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    should freedom of hate speech be made a criminal offence in countries.though freedom of speech and freedom of expression are basic human rights,should freedom of hate speech which breachs those two basic human rights of individual citizens ever be tolerated at anytime in any countries by any goverments .what are your views and thoughts on this subject matter ?
     
  2. OddApple

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    Oh course. Hate speech is just an opportunity for people undesirable for very good reasons to try and obtain even more undeserved attention and unmerited gain accusing people of hating them as a cover andexcuse for the very good reasons people do. Hate speech is the claimed hiding place and cover of the effete and unwanted.
     
  3. roamy

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    could you elaborate a bit more
     
  4. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I think in most countries where they have freedom of speech they already made hate speech an exception and a criminal offence already. At least here in the netherlands they did.
     
  5. 6-eyed shaman

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    Of course not. Even though Hate speech is unfortunately one of the privileges that comes with free speech, a law prohibiting hate speech will be left in the hands of a select few powerful people who will inevitably be the ones who decide what statements qualify as hate speech. Who's to say any statements made against their agenda will be considered criminal offenses? That's how fascist societies operate, by throwing all their opposition in jail.
     
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    a quote from the law

    "Sections 318, 319, and 320 of the Code forbid hate propaganda.[4] "Hate propaganda" means "any writing, sign or visible representation that advocates or promotes genocide or the communication of which by any person would constitute an offence under section 319.""

    and inciting to violence is something that I think should be illegal, you are intending people to die and either bullying which can drive someone to death or you encourage others to kill. This is not simply "free speech" it is hatred and bigotry
     
  8. roamy

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    as with here in Ireland hate speech is also a criminal offence.yes it is a criminal offence in most other countries too,but it is not all inclusive in some countries.for example in countries like austria,bulgaria,italy and malta hate speech is onyl criminalised in relation to specific groups and dose not include LGBT persons,which would therefore make it very difficult to apply legislation to for example cases of homophobia.also in other member states hate speech against that particulr group of persons is not even specifically defined as a criminal offence.though the law is phrased in a general way and could be used to protect that particular grouping of persons,the problem is it dose'nt in practice.
     
  9. Karen_J

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    Every country has to have some restrictions on free speech.
     
  10. roamy

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    i think most intelligent people are perfectly clear what defines hate speech.
     
  11. MeAgain

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    U.S. law

     
  12. roamy

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    i agree. in fact in my opinion incitement of violence should carry even heavier sentences.
     
  13. roamy

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    a seperation of church and state would probably be a good rectification for it. i'd say it is the "embraced" bit that some citizens are'nt to happy with and also the exclusions of protections for some groups of persons.
     
  14. trndpage2006

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    Its just censorship of mind ,a way to try to force compliance ,good and bad have all ways been here,laws will change no mind its just takes it underground,the laws are just to divided us even more.Hate is not something your born with but something you learn,when your feed false images that's how you think of them.only throw experience will things change
    if I fill im right ,no amount of threats will change my mind,It only tells me im right, but only when I see in others there is a better way is my mind changed,its all in content of cricketer
    thanks to our supreme leader ,next is pre-crime where you can be arrested not for actual crime ,but because your profiled as someone likely to be involved in a crime
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHEYWBV_uRY"]BREAKING: Brandon Raub's Attorney: "He Was Institutionalized for Posting Song Lyrics" - YouTube
     
  15. Wizardofodd

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    Someone elses hate speech in no way violates my own rights. It's just a handy tool to help us identify the idiots around us. I'm all for free speech...no matter what a person is saying....even if they are inciting violence. I'm just as free to incite peace as the next person should be to incite whatever they want. As soon as either of us can't say what we think....both of us have lost something.

    Edit to say....someone can incite violence through speech but that alone isn't violent. Violence takes willful action. That isn't free speech.
     
  16. Asmodean

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    Well, happily it doesn't make it impossible by a long shot for those who wish to incite hate to do so. If they do it directly at a specific person or group to an extent that they can't live in peace anymore there just will be some consequences.
     
  17. roamy

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    unreal! someone needs to rescue that guy. i agree sadly people can be programmed to hate through false,ignorant or unducated information.very true ,threats are a validation of being right. what were the lyrics that guy was wrongly incarcerated in a mental hospital for posting ?
     
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    I think due to the freedom of speech, people should be able to say whatever they want to say unless it is slander. Even if the majority does not agree.
     
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    I agree with this to a certain extent, I think hate speech laws could theoretically be used against people who oppose certain political leaders or corporations.

    But I basically agree with what meagain posted regarding the US's interpretation of hate speech. It is one thing to speak negatively of someone or something but it is another thing entirely to threaten violence or to incite violence in others with your words. The line should be drawn when it starts to cross over from mere words to threats of violent action.
     
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    So, why can't an individual say whatever they want? In my opinion, regulations against speech in general are a bit nonsense. I'm tired of people trying to landscape their social and cultural environments to some sort of polite normality. Lawmakers should worry about more significant matters and we as individuals should use our decision making skills and discernment to choose what we believe.

    I think in better times a man could set up his soapbox and rant about whatever and people could freely pass by and dismiss his arguments as those of a dumb fuck if he was so. & the same principle applies if someone disseminated propaganda or hate speech text.

    People need to own up to themselves and pry away from the collective hive mind of popular opinion and the assumption of truth.

    foremost... stop worrying about what everyone else is doing.
     
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