Freedom is not safe

I'll leave that for you to interpret as you see fit.

 

I would / could if I had some idea of what it means.

 

You may as well have given me a Russian word and asked me to interpret it as I see fit. If you could just explain what you mean, I could possibly pick up some way to interpret given some context. I don't see this as an unreasonable request.

 

I'm sorry about that, my objective is not to insult anyone, it's to encourage logical thinking.

Let's drop the curve thing and focus on the point. I described how certain people operate and received a response that addressed none of that but instead attacked me personally.

When people are out of arguments, they throw insults and innuendos. That's the bottom line. I strive to avoid doing that myself and find it aborhent.

 

Hahahaha

I did NOT have sex with that woman! I SWEAR!!!

 

Judge Haller:
Can you answer the question?

Lisa:
No, it is a trick question!

Judge Haller:
Why is it a trick question?

Vinny:
(to Bill) Watch this.

Lisa:
'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center. [Vinny sits back, contently crossing his arms]

 

MeAgain

LOL - I think the answer to your question is a resounding NO

 

On the use a freedom in US politics

With limited time and space this is going to be some general comments

Freedom and liberty are emotive subjects and trigger words and dishonest people who know this can use those emotions and triggers to manipulate people.

People want freedom and liberty I mean the alternative is suppression, harassment, lack of choice, an inability to do as you wish, slavery.

Many in the US believe that it is the natural right of American to have freedom that the very nation was born out of a desire for liberty. The great rallying call of the war of independence was ‘Give me liberty or give me death’ and the Declaration of Independence emphatically declares that it is the unalienable right of all people to have liberty.

But Patrick Henry who said ‘Give me liberty or give me death’ was a slave owner and although ‘liberty’ was declared the new nation baked slavery in and kept in place so many restrictions that only about 10% of the old colonies population actually got the vote.

The US was set up in the main to serve the interests of the squire class basically the interests of the more wealthy in that society with checks and balances that were more stacked against what they saw are the mob (the electoral college, senate and supreme court been amongst them), and in general that has remained the case up to today.

And the wealthy have become proficient in using the concept of ‘freedom’ to manipulate the American people as the franchise grew.

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Wealth has taught many Americans to see some things as been associated with freedom and others to be the enemies of freedom.

Tax cuts are about freedom

Deregulation is about freedom.

Limited government is about freedom

And the enemies of freedom are left wing ideas (that ALWAYS leads to hard-line totalitarian communism)

Taxation used to help the more disadvantaged in society

Regulations that limit exploitation and improve the environment.

Government as a check on the power of the wealthy

 

Now having read the above let’s look at the below

“Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.”
― Ron Paul

But how do you have freedom without feeling safe?

A slave doesn’t have freedom but it doesn’t have safety either, if you are afraid of the actions of the more powerful can you be free?

Government interference protects peoples liberties by outlawing discrimination and exploitation, remove the government’s ability to interfere and those protection disappear and liberties can be curtailed.

Deregulate to remove health and safety laws and environmental laws as many wealthy individuals and corporations might desire does not make more people free it just puts them more at risk of being exploited and of working or living in more unsafe and riskier conditions.

And here we have the other side – the evil spectre of left-wing ideas (state control - totalitarian society)

Any person that wants to improve the lives of the common people - rather than the interests of the wealthy - can only wish for total control and to steal away people freedoms.

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So Ron Paul’s rhetoric is really using the ‘freedom’ argument to try and get the majority of people to vote against their own interests.

 

Are you sure? Have you taken a liberal arts course recently? Have you taken one ever? I can remember my grandma, who had never been to college, going on and on in similar vein about the commie professors out to lead us astray. That was when I was a kid. You sound a lot like her. Fortunately, my professors encouraged critical, independent thinking, which might seem like indoctrination to a person who thinks it's wrong to question "the truth" as told to him on his mammy's knee, but isn't really.

Trump's "alternative facts" are a divisionary tactic designed to get his sorry ass back into power. He says he won the election and Biden stole it from him by fraud. So do the dumbasses who support him. Do you believe that? Could an educated person believe that? Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

And you continue to do it with virtually every post. You Retrumplicans seem to be itching for another civil war, for which your little "normal tourism" escapade on Jan.6 was a dress rehearsal.

 

I love that description "Retrumplicans". I like to refer to them as rape-publicans because they are all pedophiles, sexual abusers and sexual predators. Plus the fact that they love to keep raping the middle class and poor to support their billionaire buddies. I've been known to call them Trumpettes too. I do agree with all your replies to Trudgin.

 

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You do realize that Ron Paul said, "Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea."

You are not seriously arguing in favor of collectivist ideas like racism are you?

 

The freedom without feeling safe starts at 0:50.

 

Freedom can now be purchased from the Supreme Court justices for negotiable prices, and the Pentagon is considering a hostile takeover, if Wall Street doesn't cough up more money.

 

Thanks for bringing that statement to my attention. I'll add it to my collection of stupid Ron Paul quotations. Libertarians are incapable of being racist? Ron Paul himself would seem to be a walking refutation of that notion.You can also find plenty of refutations in the shape of all the neo-Nazi types at the Charleston rally shouting "Jews Will Not Replace Us" . Collectivists if I ever say any.
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"racism is a collectivist idea." What does that even mean? Racism is :"a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others." Definition of usually | Dictionary.com As such, it can be an individual idea or a group-shared condition. Nothing particularly "collectivist" about it Paul was just using that idea as a cover or his won racial bigotry.
What Paul seems to mean by calling it "collectivist' Is that it involved treating individuals as members of groups or collectivities.

You are not seriously arguing that if Ron Paul dubs something collectivist, that makes it so, are you? I don't think Balbus is arguing in favor of racism. What gave you that idea?

 

Usually, collectivism means advocating collective action, not rejecting members of an out group.

 

"A country cannot subsist well without liberty, nor liberty without virtue.“ — Daniel Webster