Freedom is not safe

Trud

If you reject the idea of equality before the law or having equality of opportunity are you proposing some kind of caste or apartheid system, with differing laws and job opportunities for certain groups?

 

"those that forget history are doomed to repeat it."

 

" and those that voted for trump are cordially invited to kiss my honky ass."

 

Yes, I have read a bit of history. The history of socialism is filled with horrors. The national Socialist military was financed and trained in Russia in return for helping to modernize the international Socialist army of the USSR as both ramped up for WW2.

The national Socialists murdered their political rivals first: international Socialists and then national Socialists who threatened the personal power of The Leader. Then they murdered the disabled, minorities and of course the list goes on and on. Socialism kills.

 

Yes, but it's still cool to have the "helmet laws suck" sticker on your helmet.

 

Big Government:
1. If it moves, Regulate it.
2. If it still moves, Tax it.
3. If it stops moving, Subsidize it.

 

There is. I've seen it. And it does. I've seen that too.

Which is something worthy of striving to avoid.
It's really only complicated when people have an inflated sense of self worth and/or try to pull the wool over other people's eyes.

 

Keep it simple and straightforward.

The difficultly of comprehension is beyond the point that we needn't pick and choose minutia in history to have a bird's eye view of what works and what doesn't.

 

You have a very cynical outlook. I'm sorry. I hope you become happier. That'll happen once you become grateful and realize that you don't have to bring people down to elevate yourself. Things move independently. Fight nature or roll with it.

 

I believe we should put a stop to that. But that's a different point to mine. Why are you or I not on an NBA team? Is that fair?? Are we not all equal???
Hoping you got it now. We're not all pop stars. We're not all decorated authors. We're not all doctors or rocket scientists. We don't all look like movie stars. We're not all equal.

 

I do worry when I see Retrumplican types assault our democracy, then try to downplay it with false facts, and introduce legislation at the state level to suppress the vote next time. But I'm a relatively happy warrior, confident that in the end Truth and Justice will prevail. Humans by nature are creations of God, but have their sinful side which must not be "rolled" with.

 

Once you've had sufficient education to distinguish 'Socialism" from "National Socialism", we'll talk.

 

In a truly sensible and just world, motorcyclists who refuse to wear helmets would be denied admission to emergency rooms or ETM services for motorcycle-related injuries, and should be left on the streets to bleed out or drag themselves to the curb. If they die, their bodies should be put on display as examples of human folly. Sigh, we're such softies when it comes to scofflaws.

 

Trud

All I’m ‘getting’ is that you clearly don’t understand the concept of equality of opportunity?

And you are also looking at outcomes not the process.

Imagine a 100 metre race and two runners of equal potential - but you only place one runner at the 100 metre line while putting the other on the 300 metre line. There is no equality of opportunity in the race.

You are standing at the finish line of the race described above and declaring that the runner that was advantaged from the start was the more worthy athlete while lambasting the loser for not working hard enough.

So let us say you have two people with the potential to become a doctor one is born into disadvantage and all the draw backs that brings and another born into advantage and the greater opportunities that brings.

Both have the potential to be doctors, but one is going to have a tougher race than the other.

To me right wing libertarian ideas and policies would make the disadvantaged even more disadvantaged and make the already advantaged even more advantaged – they are the enemies of equality of opportunity – and since the disadvantaged are less likely to find equality in law as the advantaged right wing libertarians are also the enemies of equality before the law.

 

Cello

As I’ve pointed out the problem with simple is that it can be simplistic, you should be wary of letting your beliefs cloud your understanding the real world

 

Cello

Have you ever read any history? I mean you do know that the first people that the Nazis persecuted where the left wingers?

But after that reading of history you still don’t see the difference between left wing socialism and the Nazis?

What books have you read on the subject?

You do know that the Nazis and Hitler actually admired many US states for their treatment of ‘inferior’ races (like segregation) and eugenics programmes such as the sterilisation of the disabled (and letting them die). Hitler mentions the US favourably in Mien Kampf and Nazis at Nuremberg cited US judges.

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics | History News Network

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Hitler's debt to America

How American Racism Influenced Hitler

 

Cello

And if you had read any history, even a little bit, you would know that the history of capitalism is filled with horrors.

Things like manifest destiny and imperialism caused the death of millions upon millions – just to mention the slave trade talked about above was a capitalistic endeavour that people defended as such. Slave owners and their fellow travellers saw its abolition as an attack on property rights (and in British territories only reluctantly complied after been given huge levels of compensation (the slaves got none)

The thing is that capitalism’s history is every bit as bloody and horrific as those of Mao, Stalin or Pol Pot its just that in capitalistic societies where the medium of propaganda has traditionally been in the hands of the wealthy benefactors of the system capitalisms blood history is glossed over while even the smallest of supposed misdemeanours of ‘socialism’ are loudly trumpeted

Again I to those on the forum that push the libertarian agenda, I say look up and see who is pulling your strings.

 

Dang ole RIGHT WING hippies with their dang ole RIGHT WING liberty and all that durn RIGHT WING dancin' and groovin' and all the RIGHT WING love- makin' and that dang ole RIGHT WING rockin' and a-rollin' makes Chairman Mao jes' a-wanna spit!

 

Chairperson Mao Cultural Revolution - Wikipedia
Josef Stalin Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia
Pol Pot Pol Pot - Wikipedia

You'll have to share with us the links detailing the millions of civilians murdered under those terrors of history - Kennedy, Carter and Clinton.

 

Cello

Sorry I really don’t have a clue what you are going on about?

There are right wingers and left wingers and all shades between on the forum – you are clearly a right winger – so what is your point here do you actually think you don’t have right wing view – if so can you please explain why you think that – have you any left wing views?

I would ask if you to stop with such silly comments and just simply answer the outstanding questions and criticisms?