Free Tibet - Boycott China Olympics!

That is indeed interesting, and not at all surprising.

I can understand why a lot of Chinese people might feel somewhat disenfranchised by all the negative coverage they are getting. Capitalist values are new to China, and the people are enjoying a honeymoon period with their new found material expediency, not realising like the rest of the western world that economic expansion comes at a high price. This is the reason why Tibet doesn't want the corrosive presence of Chinese interference. The Tibetan people are spiritual and understand the value in living minimal humble lives, it is from these values that the human spirit of compassion for all life springs forth. I've done both that and the old 9-5 office job, pissed at the weekend, tired on monday, thinking about buying a new gadget life, and I know which I prefer.

China is polluting the environment at an alarming rate. It is spending astronomical sums on money on defence, way more than America. It is selling weapons to Africa. It is forcibly evicting rural Chinese people from their villages so they can build offices.

All this shit is happening and the Chinese people, let alone the rest of the world, know little about it. The extent to which China is corrupt is anyones guess.

An example of how fucked up the Chinese government is at the moment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/06/science/space/06orbi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

At least America knows how to take down a rogue satellite, they might be a bunch of corrupt lying mother fuckers themselves, but they appear to know what they are doing there. China, on the other hand, might have brought the age of satellite technology to end sooner than we expect by blowing up a high altitude satellite and subsequently raising the chance of a space debris "cascade".

If that happens, we can all say goodbye to google earth.

 

And you really believe all this? I studied in China and was very happy there. Students are not abused in the way you mention.

Why don't you go back to primary school to study again, to get some normal sense.

 

And being registered with APNIC is now a crime? There are millions of addresses in APNIC including anti-cnn.com and my home IP. I am not an anti-cnn hack. Pull your head in.

 

What did I say about students?

 

That was in reply to ava's post on students in hard labour camps and being talked to by government etc.

 

recklessrick you sound pure evil so when are yall evil bastards going to take over the world its about time already. Yall could take it any moment with yalls slave mandatory military and slave labor. Its sad how yall are so ignorant but even worse you believe all the lies communism gives you. However much you think you know about reality i bet you know nothing besides lies. Have you ever thought for yourself our always used there brainwashed program. i for one support freedom no country is truely free but communism in reality not theory is worse than Nazism, FACT!

 

ok, enough with personal attacks the students from the attack in 88 were put in camps with hard labour and lectures on how to be a good person i have met one of the students some time ago who was at the square


one thing mao,hitler and stalin had going was propaganda

now i know about your IP address. i can't be bothered with this debate. it is going nowhere we are not learning anything from each other all i can see is hatred going around and around in circles what is the point
please do not personally attack me or others not worth getting your knickers in a knot, we don't know each other this is a forum for discussion nothing more
maybe you should post in the politics section, you would get more people reading your comments than a travel forum

 

That's right. China are in charge of Tibet and anyone who disagrees with that can spend a few years staring at the inside of a cell.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7372513.stm

"A court in Tibet has jailed 17 people for taking part in riots in the capital Lhasa last month, Chinese state media has said.
The prison terms are reported to range from three years to life.
Anti-China protests led by Buddhist monks began in Lhasa on 10 March and gradually escalated into rioting.
China says at least 19 people were killed by the rioters - but Tibetan exiles say that nearly 100 were killed by the Chinese security forces.
A court in Lhasa handed down the verdicts at an "open trial" attended by more than 200 people, including Buddhist monks, medical workers and "masses from all walks of life", state television reported."

 

http://www.ncuscr.org/programs/china-and-tibet

 

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2268360,00.html

 

Tibet and China: 7 questions

The six decades since China sent troops into Tibet in 1950 have been marked by periods of unrest and sporadic uprisings against Beijing's rule.
While China says it has an historic and cultural claim to the territory, Tibet's cause has been championed by many in the West.
Here, two leading academics analyse both sides of the dispute. Dr Steve Tsang specialises in Modern Chinese Studies at St Antony's College, Oxford. Andrew Fischer is an expert in Tibet at the Development Studies Institute, at the London School of Economics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7392519.stm

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7461126.stm

1,000 Tibetans are still missing, say Amnesty International.

 

Ellenz,thanks

only thoes who have come to China can comment about this topic,because they knoe the truth

 

Ain't that the truth. What with all the news black outs and media spin, there is only one way to determine what truths and lies come out of and are censored by China, and that's to go there and find out.

Any progress on the independent human rights monitors there Raymond, and whether or not the Chinese government are going to allow them?

 

The Dalai Lama has little direct communication with Tibetans.

China stages propaganda wars when opportune.

Dalai Lama's message to all his own Tibetans was
--A violent Tibet is a suicidal Tibet; Tibet survives due to its message of peacefulness--
Dalai Lama is a Buddhist before a politician.
A study of the basic history of Tibet shows that its Buddhist message has secured its borders over the last fifteen hundred years especially from Mongolia.
Dalai Lama also says don't boycott the Olympics.

Now when Chinese say he or his people burned some women and so on, that is a gross lie and turnabout of truth. In fact, nobody even believes that tripe for the slightest second. We people from the rest of Earth outside of China now can think for ourselves and see with our own eyes that you Chinese Communists are the blind ones who think, in your state promoted fundamentalism, that you're fooling people. Which earns a few lols and rotflmfaos.

That's not to say that a bunch of you backwoods bumfuck Chinese Communist hicks won't believe anything your government tells you. Well, that's what happens when you have no freedom of speech, you also have no free flow of informations so you are like blinkered mules. A nation of mules.

Or lambs.

Tibet was the nation of lambs which you Chinese collectivized just as has all you Communist nations taking all right of determination from the individual and the local culture.

 

skip ,I ask you. do you live in china ,know the truth? you just know it by media,so please close your mouth,shit. in lalsha ,there r many riots ,if you suport you surpot the riots, think it again, idiot.if there r many riots in your country what 's your goverment will do.

 

No of course he doesn't, and neither do I. But both of us, or at least I am anyway, are intelligent human beings who have sme sort of an incline to what is happening the world, through the media which, up until now coincidentally, the Chinese authorities have been curbing heavily.

But oh look now China are relaxing internet laws!

Maybe that is because they don't want to look like a bunch of nazi cunts, don't you think, under the media limelight.

Let's take a look at China and what it's like to be Chinese. You are allowed to have one child, or half of one if you are in a loving marital relationship, and if you happen to live in a place that is of economic interest to the government, then you can fuck off and live somewhere else. It doesn't matter if you've lived there all your lfe and you want to still live there, you must go.

Take your olympic balls and shove them up your tight rectal passages.

 

(I'm quoting my post here)


Boycotting the Olympics is yet another way for Westerners to feel good about themselves as morally superior while at the same time contributing nothing to anyone.
China has made huge improvements in its human rights in the past 20 years, if you stop watching fox news and spend some time in China you can experience it for yourself.
20 years ago Chinese people couldn't travel freely in their country , choose their occupation freely, choose their university major (if they even got to one), open a business or access World news. They had no access to technology and health services and didn't even know about pollution and the environment. 20 years ago there was absolutely no criticism of the government , while today many editorials in Chinese newspapers (espcially in the South) openly criticize the government. Chinese people can freely travel and many have access to very subversive information (remember they can go to Hong Kong whenever they want where they can get anti -Chinese propaganda in a language they understand, starting this year they can go to Taiwan as well.)
It took the West a long time to reach the current level of human rights and China shouldn't be expected to achieve the same thing in just 20 years (the clock started ticking in the 90 with Deng Xiaoping's open door policy)

"but I have the right to boycott" righteous Westerners claim, What will be the results of such boycott ? First China's economy will suffer ,many people will lose their jobs (and in China losing your job is a very serious matter, not like in the West when loosing your job means you can't go on consuming as many luxury items as before), society will be a mess, the West will (rightfully) be blamed, China will close up, less information and less communication , more nationalism and militarism , less human rights. Great . indeed a worthy cause. We really showed them didn't we . Nothing like the great Christian West to make the world a better place,